Uncovering the Mysteries of the Shroud
of Turin

OP, I believe you. Thank you for posting something not from the Daily Mail and not about Ukraine. What a blessing.

I read where the image was caused by the intense heat that occurred when he rose from the dead.

It’s an interesting artifact, but it’s a fake, unless Jesus had the brain of a chimpanzee. Once you see the abnormally small head size, you can’t unsee it: https://infidels.org/kiosk/article/the-shroud-of-turin-the-great-gothic-art-fraud-because-if-its-real-the-brain-of-jesus-was-the-size-of-a-protohumans/

I have read the same thing, # 2, and I Believe.

What is truly strange is that the blood type found on the shroud is AB. That's the same type found on all those eucharistic miracles where the consecrated host has turned to flesh. Look it up. The last one I heard about was in Argentina when Pope Francis was still a Bishop. He immediately sent the sample to NY where it was diagnosed as part of a heart muscle. The scientists had no idea where it came from. The one found in the 16th century is still in perfect condition, Strange

Amen, #1!! There are such mysteries, and whatever your take on the shroud, it’s good to remember that we are a race with amnesia and that conclusions are our refuge. Thanks for reminding me!

# 5 - "...the same type found on all those eucharistic miracles where the consecrated host has turned to flesh." ???? I believe as you do that the consecrated host is the body and blood of Christ, but then was such a host subjected to chemical analysis? Please cite specifics, places where such information can be found.

Some of the detailed examinations would be essentially impossible to fake, for example the polken grains found on the Shroud which are from plants found only in that region, at that time. I, too, think it is very likely the real deal.

The blood is still red! Could only happen in blood of one who was tortured mercilessly! Look it up! I believe it to be real!

The Lord will have the last word.

The thing that locks in the Shroud's authenticity is the Sudarium of Oviedo. The "facecloth" that was tossed in a corner of the tomb according to the Gospels. It has a longer pedigree than the Shroud and the blood stains on the Sudarium match not only in blood type, but also composition, and the stain patterns match that found on the Shroud identically. I've studied the Shroud and Sudarium for many years and both were left behind after the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection. If God were going to leave behind one thing to remind mankind of His Son, it would be something that could NOT be duplicated, or explained, or easily pawned off as a fake. The infamous Carbon dating test was done on a section of the Shroud that had had a different type of textile merged with the old fabric using an ancient French technique called "re-weaving." This has since been proven. What we have is evidence of the Lord Jesus Christ's victory over death that is available to us all through faith alone in Christ alone.

On the scientific side, the article did not mention that not only is the shroud a 'negative', but it is also encoded with 3D information. Check out "Shroud of Turin Used to Create 3D Copy of Jesus" and see what He really looked like in death. He was taller than average, and had a normal sized head. The first video to be offered has the life sized statue in the foreground , and 3 adult males behind the statue.

Jesus Christ was God in human form and with that in mind, there can be no doubt the Shroud is real and the emblazoned image on the cloth is that of Jesus Christ - the aura of God is beyond comprehension so let's just take it as it is

Really, #3? A long, convoluted apples and oranges argument from the secular.org network. Using Abe Lincoln vs the shroud. The 'artist' writing this, who can't draw hands by the way, thinks a partial image of part of the face, is the same as a photo of the complete head. Because the partial image is small, he/she thinks it is a fake? It's folded cloth draped over a body, not an X-ray. Doesn't matter. You either believe in something greater than man or you look to men for moral authority. We see how that is working and has worked in the past.

It is heartrending to read everyones different profession of faith in the Shroud of Turin. I'm sorry folks, it is a middle ages fake. But don't let that shake your faith. God is right here in front of you and you can declare your faith in him yourself. You can speak in your mind, an audience is just a distraction. Now ask God directly for the thing you want. Think completely in every detail. Then let it go and thank God for making it so. Move your feet in the direction of the opportunities to make it so.

If your faith tells you it is authentic, then it is authentic. After all what is authenticity?

I saw a 'travelling' exhibit of the Shroud some years back with full details of scientific studies to determine its authenticity. It was not made with Middle Ages tech... or any tech. There was no ... worldly explanation for it. And there was a history of it early on. One thing I picked up. Very early depictions of the Christ showed him looking like a young Greek man. But then, almost overnight, the depictions changed to look like the image on the Shroud. This is in the early centuries of Christendom. The Shroud, and those depictions, are called Pantocrator. By the Middle Ages, depictions of the crucified Christ followed the Gospels... that He was pierced by nails in the hands. The Shroud accurately shows the nails were placed thru the Radius and Ulna bones in the forearm just above the wrist bones... which is the only way to support the weight of the crucified body. Thanks to the poster above for mentioning the Sudarium. I'd known about that but not what it was called.

16, True faith and true science will never conflict. You can believe whatever you want about the shroud but this is not Schrodinger's shroud that exists in two states until it is observed. It is either real or it is not, and that truth does not vary depending upon the thoughts of the one asking themselves the question. Ie., you can have all the faith you want that there are no cars coming down the street. But you had better look both ways just the same.

In reply to #3: if we are to believe the artist Gregory S. Paul who wrote the article that you cited, the medieval forger was clever enough to fashion the image without paint, ink, pigments, etc. -- but he was too dumb to get the body proportions right. Like #14 noted, why is artist Paul comparing the shroud man to Abe Lincoln? Lincoln was 6 ft. 4. How tall was the shroud man? An article I read said eight experts disagreed on his height -- with estimates ranging from 5 ft 3 1/2 to 6 ft 1 1/2. How is that possible? In "THE HEIGHT OF CHRIST -- According to the Holy Shroud" Dorothy Crispino explained that the body was not perfectly flat on the surface it was laid on: "The mechanics of crucifixion wrenched the body into stressful deformations ... which death then locked in rigor mortis. In his last moment before his death on the Cross, Jesus slumped forward, knees bent; and, as St. John tells us, he inclined his head. As a result, the spinal column curved to the extent that the dorsal imprints exceed the frontal by 5 cm." The head was slumped forward when the man died on the cross -- that might explain why the head looked short to Gregory S. Paul. Crispino stated: "On the Shroud , the head’s forward tilt annuls the region of the throat, skimming directly from the beard to the upper chest. This forward curvature is most convincing on the dorsal imprint, where the distance from the shoulders to the occiputal region is distinctly exaggerated." You might want to read the Crispino article.

What is “heartbreaking,” #15, is people who minimize other people’s beliefs. What possible harm can it do anyone, if people believe this is the shroud of The Savior? And, what on earth does that belief have to do with how one finds and communicates with God? Your smug dismissal of this shroud does not “shake” the faithful in any way, shape or form, and your advice on where to put our faith, instead, smacks or arrogance. Get over yourself.

Fake but accurate?