Biden’s Ukraine Scramble
American Greatness,
by
Conrad Black
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
1/26/2022 12:17:26 PM
As usual, the media coverage on the Ukraine crisis is largely inadequate. Perversely, most of the aggressive left-wing media want to escalate the feud with Russian President Vladimir Putin to the point of driving Russia into the arms of China. This is the only way Russia (whose GDP is smaller than Canada’s) could seriously damage the West.
At the same time, some conservative commentators, including some of the stars at Fox News, are unreasonably accusing those who favor resisting Russian aggression in Ukraine of being warmongers and trying to propel America into endless, useless war. Again.
There is a legitimate American and Western interest in not allowing Russia to trample
Reply 1 - Posted by:
EQKimball 1/26/2022 12:33:09 PM (No. 1051499)
Most Americans did not think it was our national interest to stop Germany from invading Poland, Austria, Czhechoslovakia and France.
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We send troops to Ukraine to fight the Russians. The Chinese then invade Taiwan. We send troops to Taiwan. Shades of WWII!!!! We're in another two-front war on opposite sides of globe which will not end quickly with only two A-bombs.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
DVC 1/26/2022 12:47:06 PM (No. 1051517)
Mr. Black attempts to school us in history, but skips over the MOST relevant part of the history lesson entirely. Dishonesty or ignorance? Either way, he misses the most important part.
In the 1930s, Stalin sent in troops to confiscate ALL the food grown by the prosperous and successful kulak farmers in NE Ukraine. When that didn't kill off enough of them, because they were guilty of the crime of resisting conversion to Soviet collective farms, he loaded them onto trains and dropped them in the far Siberian tiaga in October with only the clothes on their backs - to die. And they mostly did die.
Then Stalin imported ethnic Russians to take over this conveniently vacant rich farm land for his collective farms.
And that hellish genocide, covered up in a long series of lying articles in the NYTimes which "proved that there was no starvation in Ukraine", is how Mr. Black's story ---- Black says, " Approximately 17 percent of its population of about 40 million is Russian and speaks Russian and is largely concentrated near Ukraine’s border with Russia." actually happened. He missed the really important part of his condescending history lesson.
So, letting Putin take back what Stalin stole via genocide isn't quite such a natural thing when you know the REAL history, not Mr. Black's sanitized, 'skip over the important and messy parts' version.
This fraudulent history lessen lowers my opinion of Mr. Black by quite a few notches.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Quigley 1/26/2022 12:48:39 PM (No. 1051522)
Conrad’s solution seems out of his depth. The institution of ‘unquestionable integrity’ doesn’t exist (pipe dream #1) and the idea or redrawing the borders and letting whoever is unhappy with the redrawn border move to the other side of the border is pipe dream #2.
And then there is schmoe who can’t even speak of the subject appropriately. He shoots his mouth off when he should be quiet and goes shopping when the going gets tough.
Hopefully schmoe’s stupidity will cause putin to fear him. The ‘monkey with a handgrenade’ fear.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
MDConservative 1/26/2022 12:50:03 PM (No. 1051524)
Rationalize all day, Conrad. The US has no vital national interest in Ukraine. This is a NATO mess, and as “Leader of the Free Loaders” the US has to show its got the biggest testicles this side of the Volga. This is very reminiscent of 1914 leading to WW1. The US is entangled in European affairs. Conrad, read Washington’s farewell for comprehension. He warned us not to do this.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DVC 1/26/2022 12:52:51 PM (No. 1051529)
Oh - another crucial point. That portion of Ukraine has some of the finest, dark, black agricultural soil that I have seen anywhere. I rode a train through that region about a dozen years ago, and marveled at the hours and hours passing through what was clearly a magnificent agricultural area.
THAT is why Putin wants it - FOOD production for struggling Russia, and to cripple Ukraine further economically, giving him more power over them. The EXACT same reason that Stalin killed the kulaks and took the land - it is the best agricultural land within pretty much all of Russia, most of which is inhospitable wintry Siberian tiaga forest in a subarctic climate.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
earlybird 1/26/2022 1:00:51 PM (No. 1051540)
My OP comment was deliberate. As readers have pointed out, Black’s history of that region is deficient. He was busy elsewhere?
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Sanchin 1/26/2022 1:11:30 PM (No. 1051551)
I like Conrad Black's articles BUT this is false on so many levels. 1) Russia has simply asked for a written security agreement that NATO will not expand to their borders. We are unable to do that but are happy to sanction the hell out of Iran for perceived threats against Israel and Russia for having the audacity to have their own troops inside their country prepared for Western hostilities 2) Russia does NOT want Ukraine. It is a failed, corrupt state that is run by Oligarchs that have sympathies and admiration of a man who supported and worked with the NAZIS (this is fact- lookup Stephan Bandera and Ukraine's current day Infatuation with him). Russia would have to rebuild Ukraine and continuously have to police and squash Ukrainian unrest and violence. For What? Crimea is not going anywhere.
No this is Biden's attempt to look like a strongman and try and salvage his performance by playing the war/patriotism card. Mr. Black is wrong on his assessment. FJB
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Mofongo 1/26/2022 1:19:51 PM (No. 1051559)
US involvement in a Russia-Ukraine political dispute is about as logical as Russia intervening in a dispute between French Quebec and English Canada. IE, not at all.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Chiritwo 1/26/2022 1:40:03 PM (No. 1051582)
Our soldiers are not expendable for your own personal growth, biden. We have no business being there - you and your family may have but that's not our problem so don't make it our problem.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Geoman 1/26/2022 2:26:14 PM (No. 1051619)
If a future U. S. president decided that our national security required the deployment of multiple Army and USMC armored units 25 miles into Northern Mexico in order to repel invasion and secure our Southern border, we would not appreciate Russian threats or interference. Try as I might, I could not follow Black's logic regarding American interests in defending Ukraine.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
FJB 1/26/2022 3:08:12 PM (No. 1051672)
FJB playing FDR? Catch a few Tunnel2Towers ads. Do not engage.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
ThreeBadCats3 1/26/2022 5:52:55 PM (No. 1051810)
I’m happy that myself and three sons and daughter are beyond draft age. Not that it will particularly matter if the Mushrooms start to bloom, and the next newly perfected and more lethal Covid is engineered. But perhaps I’m being unduly pessimistic. Goes with the times.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
RussZilla 1/26/2022 6:25:16 PM (No. 1051847)
What NATO country is asking us to fight? Let them mire themselves in the fight.
Heck, how many Americans know where Ukraine is found.
What gives us the right to meddle in this mess, after all military failures of the last 70 years.
Only bankers and weapon makers benefit from war. A politician debated Wilson before he sent our young men to WW1. He made this point, and it is still true today.
It’s not our fight. It’s a Cabal clusterk.
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