California State University Prepares To
Permanently Drop SAT, ACT From Admissions Process
Associated Press,
by
Staff
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
1/27/2022 10:04:11 AM
SAN FRANCISCO — California State University, the largest-four year university system in the country, is poised to eliminate SAT and ACT standardized tests from its undergraduate admissions process, following a trend in higher education over concerns that the exams are unfair to minority and low-income students. The Board of Trustees for the 23-campus CSU system will vote in March on recommendations to end the testing requirements, which were presented at a meeting Wednesday and met with widespread enthusiasm. (Snip) Critics have long argued that standardized tests put minority and low-income students at a disadvantage, in part because of test questions that
Reply 1 - Posted by:
MDConservative 1/27/2022 10:11:57 AM (No. 1052459)
American society is eliminating merit as a qualification for anything these days. We give away thirteen years (or more) of government education to those interested, fill heads with political rubbish (CRT) and gender nonsense, and upon graduation these "young adults" can't make change at the convenience store. College kids go off for remedial readin', 'ritin' and 'rithmetic at college and expect credit...and if they can get a masters degree they'll soon be behind a coffee stand counter as crackerjack baristas.
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It’s so sad that those mean tests require students to be able to do math problems, and read and write in English. Whoever thought that tests were a good idea to see who was able to do college work was obviously a filthy racist.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
curious1 1/27/2022 10:19:19 AM (No. 1052469)
Clearly the people making these decisions are incompetent and need to be removed from their positions. They are wasting taxpayer's money.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Socio 1/27/2022 10:24:05 AM (No. 1052477)
Good, this is one step closer to making institutions of higher learning completely irrelevant.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
seamusm 1/27/2022 10:25:22 AM (No. 1052478)
Subjective, color-based grading, social promotion, without any objective standards of academic achievement. I fear for my children. There will be no one to trust. No doctors that we will be confident of competence. No buildings that we will feel safe won't collapse. Will we even dare to take a plane or drive a highway. Damn.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Jesuslover54 1/27/2022 10:25:57 AM (No. 1052479)
No point in showing how dumb and ignorant your preferred groups are.
Standards are only for white and Asian people anyway.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
sunshinehorses 1/27/2022 10:33:36 AM (No. 1052488)
Iowa is doing the same for their public universities :( When I took the ACT tests there was no learning / help guide. You just took it and if you didn't do well, you took it again. If everyone is not held to the same standards, you end up with garbage. And right now we have garbage.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
VAPMAN 1/27/2022 10:34:27 AM (No. 1052489)
So illiterate students who were given high school diplomas will now go to college and party 4 years at government expense from loans that will never be paid back. They will be given a college degree for a major that they know nothing about. Some will even be admitted to graduate school and be given professional degrees and be hired to high paying jobs where they sit in an office or stay at home and do NOTHING. it’s a great life.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Californian 1/27/2022 10:37:02 AM (No. 1052492)
Hold your horses!
This is not the same as the world famous University system in California. This is just the low end state schools where the only requirement for entry is a pulse and a credit card.
Anyone can get into the CSU system. It's what kids do if they can't get into UCLA, Berkeley, etc.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Starboard_side 1/27/2022 10:38:14 AM (No. 1052496)
I remember being told that the ACT test was coming on Saturday, and to bring 2 number 2 pencils, and that was the same week it was being given.
Yet, I also knew people in my same HS who knew all about it weeks in advance and studied for it. Most of them were in the Advanced Placement courses.
The problem today, many in the education establishment know they are failing a very large group of students, particularly in the inner-cities and lower income areas. After all, most schools are funded by local property taxes. Thus, if you have 'good schools" you likely pay high property taxes and live in "nice" neighborhoods.
Now imagine if the education establishment would have embraced No Child Left Behind, they'd likely be much further along in providing higher quality education for everyone, and teaching the things that would be representative on such tests - not just teaching to the test.
And with all of these other items they'd prefer to teach about, maybe they need to lengthen the school day to ensure all of the subjects are being taught, not simply eliminate, or minimize some subjects to ensure they include the newer subjects.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
paral04 1/27/2022 10:45:28 AM (No. 1052508)
It appears that the way to get into one of those schools, why is another question, is to say you are multi-racial, trans gender and descended from criminals.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
dman 1/27/2022 10:46:42 AM (No. 1052510)
Lowering the bar only cheapens the degree.
Get WOKEN!
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
bighambone 1/27/2022 10:52:29 AM (No. 1052521)
In today’s America why would a prospective low income minority student need to demonstrate proficiency in supposed “racist” disciplines like mathematics when he or she intends to major in “woke” Black or Ethnic studies?
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 1/27/2022 10:54:03 AM (No. 1052523)
The California University system has developed a reliable Woke-O-Meter - - which can measure wokeness with 99.4% reliability.
That will be the arbiter of who gets admitted - - and who doesn't. It's the fairest way.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
lakerman1 1/27/2022 11:06:27 AM (No. 1052538)
The SAT was created to help students of merit, but without social status, to gain admission to colleges and universities.
It is ironic to see the tests now being called racist.
Without test scores, though, affirmative action is made really easy. No longer will colleges and universities lie about their student qualifications.
(Dropping the SAT/ACT requirements is happening all over the U.S., as schools compete for students.)
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
RuckusTom 1/27/2022 11:13:46 AM (No. 1052542)
Is it illegal to give black kids an IQ test in California? Well, yes. I believe it is (google it). This is just the natural progression of giving certain minority kids preference over everyone else so they can get a swanky degree from a swanky school. Who would you want as your brain surgeon? The guy who aced the SAT and all his classes, or the guy who got in because of the school's "feelings".
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
EQKimball 1/27/2022 11:18:03 AM (No. 1052549)
In time, CSU will be as competive in admissions as community colleges. The best students will avoid them completely. Their alumni will be embarrased by the new reputation.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
mean Gene 1/27/2022 11:49:48 AM (No. 1052586)
1st the SATs then grades.
I expect more bridges like the ones those women designed and built......
They thought it's SUPPORT struts were merely decorative.
So, they were going to wait until later to put them up.
Sadly, the bridge collapsed before they got around to it.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
marbles 1/27/2022 11:51:17 AM (No. 1052587)
How many people really want to go to a doctor that barely got through med school ? Med school standards are a white mans construction, wanting to be a doctor should be enough. The people running and pushing this garbage care nothing for people. Their interest is power ( and money ). Ignorant people can learn and they don't want any of that happening.Thems that are in charge believe it's their right to rule and stupid people are very easy to control.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 1/27/2022 11:53:33 AM (No. 1052592)
Excuse me #9, I graduated with honors with a Business Degree from SJSU so I would like an apology!
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
DVC 1/27/2022 12:00:10 PM (No. 1052601)
Skin color alone will be the new plan, I'm sure.
Those darned standardized tests were only finding the smart, hard working, well prepared students.....not the black and brown ones.
Darned tests are defective.....according to extreme leftist systemic racism - against whites and asians.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Debrawr 1/27/2022 12:26:45 PM (No. 1052640)
Not so fast, #9. Cal Poly Pomona has (had) one of the top ranked engineering programs and graduates roughly 1 of every 14 engineers in the state of California.
Beginning in 2031, I would advise Californians to avoid being stuck under an overpass during rush hour.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 1/27/2022 12:32:36 PM (No. 1052645)
Just send in $50,000 and get your degree, no wait no hassle.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
vinegrower 1/27/2022 12:33:03 PM (No. 1052646)
I started college in 1969, in Calif. At the time everybody wanted to go to a Calif school. Now the degrees from Calif will be considered worthless, especially from the Calif state university system and the University of Calif system. Unfortunately all the schools will get painted with the same brush. There is nothing that Calif can do right.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
JHHolliday 1/27/2022 1:05:47 PM (No. 1052677)
#15 is correct. The SAT was developed decades ago by a Harvard prof who was dismayed that wealthy and "connected" students were being admitted over smarter, less wealthy applicants. It was designed to admit applicants on merit and not daddy's influence.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Newtsche 1/27/2022 1:26:50 PM (No. 1052705)
How better to acknowledge Black Excellence?
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
swarfer 1/27/2022 5:15:16 PM (No. 1052909)
All this accomplishes is turning colleges into remedial high school institutions. Entry level courses will be crammed with kids who are simply delaying the inevitable fact they are not college material, don't really care and will have to get a job, eventually. Worse is all the attending problems non-serious students bring with them. It's really an insult to those who worked and studied hard not to be differentiated and thrown together with the mob.
I guess that California high schools have sunk so low that the state has no choice but to try to their hand at education. Maybe a few will benefit but the cost to everybody else will be enormous.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Peregrine 1/27/2022 5:19:33 PM (No. 1052911)
Catering to the lowest common denominator.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
MickTurn 1/27/2022 9:01:25 PM (No. 1053111)
Great News, now my DOG can get the PhD he deserves...he loves to chase electric cars and bite Liberals...
(I made up that part)...
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
KTWO 1/27/2022 9:11:55 PM (No. 1053126)
IMO objective tests and measurements are being systematically eliminated because then rewards can be given, and justified, by the 'feelings' of woke decision-makers. In this case the reward is admission to a university but in other cases it will be the grade given to a student or a scholarship or admission to a graduate program.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Adam 1/28/2022 5:39:49 AM (No. 1053371)
I’ve made my living preparing students for the SAT (as well as many other tests) for 29 years. I’m also a constitutional conservative and an enemy of “woke” culture. The SAT is a lousy test. It deserves to die. It doesn’t deserve to die because it is supposedly “racist.” It deserves to die because it is no more successful at predicting readiness for college than giving kids a sudoku and a crossword puzzle. Defending the SAT is not a wise idea.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
hoosierblue 1/28/2022 8:23:48 AM (No. 1053489)
All you have to do is show them your woke button.
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An insult to minority and low-income students who excel and thrive. The colleges now want students who are obedient 'Woke' soldiers.