Authorities recover bullet believed to
have been fired by Alec Baldwin from film
director's shoulder
CBS News,
by
Alex Sund& Victoria Albert
Original Article
Posted By: Come And Take It,
10/27/2021 12:59:36 PM
Authorities in New Mexico say they have recovered a bullet believed to have been fired from the gun held by Alec Baldwin on the "Rust" film set last week. The announcement comes six days after the actor fired a gun that was thought to be safe while rehearsing a scene last Thursday on the set of the Western movie "Rust," killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.
Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza said a lead projectile, which police consider to be a bullet, was recovered from Souza's shoulder. He said investigators have collected approximately 600 pieces of evidence, including what investigators believe was the gun fired by Baldwin
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Flyball Dogs 10/27/2021 1:20:34 PM (No. 958961)
Alec Baldwin fired a bullet from the film director’s shoulder?!
Undoubtedly, the writers were educated at a journalism school.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Mizz Fixxit 10/27/2021 1:26:44 PM (No. 958969)
According to Fox News, the gun fired by Baldwin in the fatal shooting is a F Lee Pietta Long Colt 45 Revolver.
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Piettas are Italian made replicas, #2. Not a bad firearm by all accounts - supposed to be pretty well made. They have been around for a good long time - became popular when the Spahgetti Westerns were in vogue.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Catherine 10/27/2021 1:33:25 PM (No. 958973)
Nice story. Lots of blame to go around. But Baldwin aimed and shot at the woman. Why? There had to be some pent up anger in him at the time. Even a moron as big as Baldwin knew better. Baldwin needs to be charged and tried. It could very well have been an accident, but someone died from what he did. It should not go unpunished.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
FLCracker 10/27/2021 1:41:51 PM (No. 958982)
My brother was part of a Miami-Dade fire crew providing safety support to a "Miami Vice" (Don Johnson version) Hollywood crew filming the explosion of a drug lab inside a trailer.
According to my brother, filming started, explosion happened, the director got his shot and then yelled "Cut!"
Hollywood people relaxed, started doing whatever and started to go check out the trailer. The firemen started yelling like crazy: "Get back! Get back! All the explosives haven't gone off yet!"
Apparently, the director on set is the Voice of God and all physical laws of the Universe obey his command.
Director said it's a "cold gun", so it's a cold gun.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
The Other Guy 10/27/2021 1:53:27 PM (No. 958995)
I suspect that Baldwin is the only person that can be criminally charged, since he was the one who fired the weapon. All the rules established by the film industry, the requirements of unions, the practices recommended by the NRA and a host of range instructors are probably not addressed by any New Mexico law. If a specific act, or the omission of that act isn't covered by law, it can't be prosecuted. Industrial strength stupidity is a lot of things, but it isn't a crime.
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Fox is now reporting that investigators recovered 'cases of ammunition' from the movie set. It makes me wonder if this Bimbo Armorer was running a little business on the side, selling ammo to those who wanted to go plinking using the movie set guns. Where did those guns actually come from, anyway. Who owns them?
They were not prop guns, they are actual firearms subject to Federal law. There is more to this story than we are being told. I cannot think of one reason that cases of live ammunition would be found on a movie set. Maybe someone else here has a better theory.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DW626 10/27/2021 1:57:42 PM (No. 959001)
Three days later? What took so long?
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 10/27/2021 2:57:21 PM (No. 959044)
Who writes these ledes??
English not their first language?
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
privateer 10/27/2021 3:07:51 PM (No. 959048)
FTA: 'Sheriff Adan Mendoza said a lead projectile, which police consider to be a bullet, was recovered from Souza's shoulder.' Wow! That's why they pay him the big bucks. I'm surprised he isn't Chief of Detectives.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 10/27/2021 3:13:14 PM (No. 959061)
It seemed likely that if there was injury to a second person, behind the first, that this was a penetrating projectile. That almost certainly indicated a bullet rather than a foreign object lodged in the barrel propelled by a blank.
This ends all speculation. Live cartridge in the on-set gun. Very, very rare that any live shooting is done on a movie, although it has happened. In general, there should be zero live ammo, and all guns should be under lock and key at all times not being actually used in a scene.
The 'armorer' will never work in movies again, I'm sure. She'll be lucky if she escapes legal problems.
Baldwin will also be lucky to escape legal problems.
Untrained fools around guns....never a good thing.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 10/27/2021 3:18:11 PM (No. 959065)
#7, "cases of ammunition" does not mean "cases of live ammunition".
I is likely cases of BLANK ammunition.....and a blank cartridge is still a cartridge, and a box of blanks is still a 'box of ammunition'.
Hollywierd and the untrained and often not too bright folks doing the reporting have no idea what the correct terms are, so garble stuff up all the time. ALL "gun articles" are typically filled with nonsense, sometimes intentional disinformation, but mostly written by folks who have no idea what they are writing about.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
smokincol 10/27/2021 3:21:41 PM (No. 959067)
he only fired one round and killed one and wounded one, he's quite skilled. are we sure he doesn't belong to the NRA
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That statement about cases of ammunition came from the DA investigating, #12. She seems to understand the differences between a 'prop gun' and the real thing, even commenting about the era-appropriateness of the weapon itself.
It may not be live ammunition, but I am betting it actually was, and something more than we are currently hearing was at work.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-movie-shooting-gun-legit-bullets-district-attorney
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Vaquero45 10/27/2021 3:34:33 PM (No. 959076)
None of these morons know the first thing about firearms, ammunition or firearms safety - including the "armorer", who is just some dummy whose father was a movie set armorer. They all call any type of ammunition a "bullet", so you never know what kind of ammunition - blanks or the real thing - they're talking about. The director was talking about opening the "hatch" and "spinning the drum", when he means opening the loading gate and spinning the cylinder. He admits that before the scene was supposed to be filmed, the "armorer" showed him the gun with three rounds in the cylinder. For that alone, she should have been fired. The director saw three rounds in the cylinder but didn't check to see whether they were blanks, dummy rounds or loaded rounds; even though the cylinder contained three rounds, he handed the gun to Baldwin and told him it was a "cold gun." And then the real dummy, Baldwin, pulled the gun out of its holster, cocked the hammer, pointed the gun at another person and pulled the trigger. These people shouldn't even be around moving machinery, much less a gun.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Birddog 10/27/2021 4:16:35 PM (No. 959107)
Cops say..."Three guns were recovered, the one used to kill the woman, fired by Biden...oops Baldwin, another plastic(non-gun) replica...and one with a "Converted Cylinder".
That gives rise to the question...what YEAR model colt were these guns mimicking? Prior to the 1873 SSA "cartridge Revolver", Colts were black powder, Cap&Ball, Pietti and others make a conversion cap to fit on the older cap/ball cylinders to allow them to fire cartridge ammunition(including blanks).
If there were three "guns" on the table, the practice rehearsal gun is the one that the AD should have handed to Biden...oops...Baldwin... to practice/rehearse with.
WHY were there "Dummy" rounds(perhaps confused with a live round) rather than blanks in any of them? Because when the camera looks right down the barrel, people that know what they are looking then catch..."Hey that gun ain't even loaded!" if there are not rounds in the cylinder.
Why only 3? Perhaps that is an indication that things were being much more tightly controlled than is being assumed, if only one side of the revolver is going to be seen by the camera only one side needs dummies to look "Loaded".
Biden...oops...Baldwin, had already drawn/cocked/pulled the trigger at least one time prior to the "Surprise BANG!"
This also introduces a "New" character into the chain of custody of the weapons..they were removed from the table, locked in a safe over lunch...then retrieved by "another female" handed to Green'purple hair gyrrl, then to the AD, then to Biden...ooops...Baldwin.
On a set this size, with a cast this size, there were MANY more than "Three" guns to costume them all, how many were/are similar?
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Birddog 10/27/2021 4:19:03 PM (No. 959111)
*Plastic...Practice rehearsal gun...*
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
happywarrior 10/27/2021 4:31:26 PM (No. 959121)
How does a bullet that hits someone in the stomach end up in someone's shoulder?
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Baldwin was seated, #18, 'practicing' his cross-draw. That in and of itself seems to be reckless setting everything else aside. The DA also said their were 16 people inside the building when Baldwin fired the shot. I cannot see how he avoids reckless endangerment legally, but I suspect he will anyway.
From that angle, I would guess upward trajectory, though that is nothing but speculation on my part.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Birddog 10/27/2021 5:33:35 PM (No. 959179)
Latest...Cast/crew, bored with the delay between the scheduled 8;30 am shot,and the eventual afternoon actual shoot...took the gun from the safe, went "Plinking" with live ammo, certainly Baldwin, the director, EVERYONE on the entire location heard gunfire during that period, Sound is as much of moviemaking as Film..."Noises OFF!" when anything is trying to be captured.
There were 16 people in the room, 90 people on the set....
https://www.thewrap.com/halyna-hutchins-live-ammo-target-practice/
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
DVC 10/27/2021 6:16:33 PM (No. 959219)
A "bullet" is NOT A CARTRIDGE, even if those who should know better cannot grasp that meaning.
A bullet is ONLY the part that goes down the barrel. A cartridge consists of a cartridge case, a primer, propellant powder (gunpowder) and a bullet (projectile).
Using "bullet" for cartridge is ignorant and confusing, no matter how often or frequently this mistake is made. It really messes up the article that this "expert" can't even get the nomenclature correct.\
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
red1066 10/27/2021 9:43:44 PM (No. 959329)
So according to the headline, the bullet pulled from the director may not be the bullet that came from the gun that Baldwin fired? How many bullets did this director have in his shoulder?
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
cor-vet 10/27/2021 10:38:45 PM (No. 959356)
It's time to start looking for a 2nd shooter, hiding on a grassy knoll. That's the real culprit, who'll never be found.
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A mix of live ammo, blanks and dummy rounds were recovered. This is exactly what you get when you hire some low budget clown as armorer on the basis of their last name. Incompetence, carelessness, willful disregard for safety - all of which should add up to prison time for more than one of the players here.