America thinks the unthinkable: More than
half of Trump voters and 41% of Biden
supporters want red and blue states to
SECEDE from one another and form two new
countries, shock new poll finds
Daily Mail (UK),
by
Morgan Phillips
Original Article
Posted By: Imright,
10/1/2021 5:37:20 PM
Many breathed a sigh of relief when President Biden was elected, not for policy but for a reunification of the country after four years of tumult and fiery division under President Trump. But eight months into the new presidency, America's deep disunity might not be letting up. A new poll has revealed that political divisions run so deep in the US that over half of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union, and 41% of Biden voters want blue states to split off. According to the analysis from the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, 52% of Trump voters at least somewhat agree with the statement:
Reply 1 - Posted by:
DVC 10/1/2021 5:40:08 PM (No. 932370)
Works for me.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
dst4life 10/1/2021 5:40:19 PM (No. 932371)
Secession is in order. Red states and blue states have reached the point of--let's see, what do they call it in divorce court?--oh yes, "irreconcilable differences."
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Lake Dweller 10/1/2021 5:42:54 PM (No. 932374)
As for me, it is long past time. They can have New York, the West Coast and New England. Illinois and Minnesota too. Go away and don’t come back!
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
bamapreacher 10/1/2021 5:48:33 PM (No. 932381)
What is needed for secession is for state leaders to step up and outright call for it and get their legislatures to pass ordnances of secession as happened in 1860-61. The red states can easily stand on their own these days unlike the South could back when.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Ketchuplover 10/1/2021 5:54:50 PM (No. 932385)
The problem is the cities. Find a way to separate them from the rest of the country, and there will be peace
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Krause 10/1/2021 6:00:21 PM (No. 932390)
That would be something. The Dems would tax themselves into oblivion. Or big tech would run the show. And the FBI would have no one to arrest because that’s all on the same team. And sooner or later illegal aliens would take over. It would be fun to watch. But they’ll be happy as Jill Biden would be their president!
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Roscoelewis 10/1/2021 6:03:06 PM (No. 932396)
I would go for that as long as blues were not allowed to migrate to the reds.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
sw penn 10/1/2021 6:03:55 PM (No. 932397)
If you think Biden voter are just going to
simply mover across the Ohio river
and everything will be fine
you are completely out of your mind...
Biden voters may move across the Ohio, but
in six weeks the Chinese communist flag
is going to be there with them.
Do you think that will be enough?
Do you think that anything will be enough?
History is not kind to morons!
Think! While it is still legal.
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Once again, we would see the Republic of Texas. Not a bad idea.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Mushroom 10/1/2021 6:06:15 PM (No. 932400)
That idea worked SO well in India and Pakistan. /s
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
dickiedeeb 10/1/2021 6:06:18 PM (No. 932401)
Shock? What shock? What is needed is real leaders with the stones to step up!
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
MrDeplorable 10/1/2021 6:11:56 PM (No. 932409)
Well, then it's my impression and profession that the only way we patriots will free ourselves from the succession of leftist aggression, economic recession, psychological depression, social repression, government transgression, state oppression and historical regression is by allowing no digression but swift procession to egression, ie, secession. (Confession: That's not original; I plagiarized it from Jill Biden's doctoral thesis.)
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
earlybird 10/1/2021 6:14:39 PM (No. 932411)
Silliness abounds.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
clipped wings 10/1/2021 6:17:09 PM (No. 932415)
How to divide the military?
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
earlybird 10/1/2021 6:20:48 PM (No. 932416)
"The C-Free Diet
If we didn’t have California, what would we eat?”
Food scientists at Cornell University have produced a strain of broccoli that thrives in hot environments, which may make it possible for states with stiflingly hot summers to grow the vegetable. California, where cool coastal fog is perfect for growing standard broccoli, currently produces more than 90 percent of the broccoli grown in the United States. If California were to disappear, what would the American diet be like?
Expensive and grainy. California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots (and the list goes on and on). Some of this is due to climate and soil. No other state, or even a combination of states, can match California’s output per acre. Lemon yields in California, for example, are more than 50 percent higher than in Arizona. California spinach yield per acre is 60 percent higher than the national average. Without California, supply of all these products in the United States and abroad would dip, and in the first few years, a few might be nearly impossible to find. Orchard-based products in particular, such as nuts and some fruits, would take many years to spring back.
https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/california-grows-all-of-our-fruits-and-vegetables-what-would-we-eat-without-the-state.html
And how about deep water ports that line the West Coast?
As I said, “silliness”...
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Sanchin 10/1/2021 6:22:08 PM (No. 932418)
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Words spoken 22 years before the Civil War. I am beginning to believe that if "free men" wish to continue to be free, then the country does need to be dissolved because we are rapidly committing suicide by staying together. Too many people are happy to completely submit to the government and forfeit all rights and freedoms as it stands now. If done peaceably, it would be an amazing testament and triumph by all people who value freedom, liberty and limited government.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 10/1/2021 6:26:03 PM (No. 932419)
China and Russia would love to see the United States break apart. We would be weaker. Probably have a civil war. Seriously, is this a good idea?
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Safari Man 10/1/2021 6:29:17 PM (No. 932424)
I don’t want dimocrats anywhere near me. Moreover, I do NOT want them to have any say in the way I live or spend my money. We need to do more than simply divvy up the states, we need to re-align the population.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Catherine 10/1/2021 6:34:16 PM (No. 932426)
Can you see the senate and house allowing tax payers to leave the union? I can't, but I'm all for this. Wonder how this would work - would the new country/countries have to be contiguous? I think Ok would go with Texas and most likely other southern states. But there are some conservative states out west too. I think it can all be worked out and will vote yes if given the chance.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Ribicon 10/1/2021 6:35:06 PM (No. 932427)
Quoted material must be accompanied by a link to its online source.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Geoman 10/1/2021 6:50:07 PM (No. 932434)
If traditional, conservative Americans don't have the stomach for killing communists, then a national divorce appears the only non-bloodshed option. If split it must be, settling where to draw the lines and who stays and who goes might not be so painless but appears worth a try, as the alternative would badly hurt everyone.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 10/1/2021 7:09:00 PM (No. 932451)
I'd be satisfied with just selling Californication back to Mexico. Without all those automatic Electoral College votes and House seats going to them, the Rats as a political party would be emasculated.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Heraclitus 10/1/2021 7:10:11 PM (No. 932452)
Every side has betrayed the Republic, no-one teaches civics and love of country, patriotism, excepting the few families where this has been and is still taught.
Where are the Republicans talking about the greatness of this country and the reasons why we MUST protect and defend the borders? that the evils in these huge spending bills are not merely the piles and piles of billions of dollars being heaped upon our backs. No. The worst aspects of the bills are the multifarious ways the foundations and principles of our Constitutional Republic depend.
These foolish politicians are destroying the Union from DC, in tandem with most Dem governors, mayors, all the way down the chain to town halls (once marveled at by de Tocqueville), school committees. Do we even bother to contact them any more? Do we give up and admit it doesn't make a difference? Does our silence fail to impact these greedy politicians less than our (pathetic) (plaintive) calls and letters?
Historians warn of the apathy of the Citizenry preceding the fall, of every great nation.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
bamapreacher 10/1/2021 7:10:46 PM (No. 932454)
#15. Splitting apart doesn't mean not buying and selling between opposing states. Whatever California grows they will be more than happy to sell to whoever. Their farmers, probably many of them republicans, have to make money. As for ports, the Gulf Coast and South Atlantic coasts can handle a lot. No problem.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Blackbird 10/1/2021 7:20:50 PM (No. 932458)
Bad idea.
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Can't "shock poll" and "experts say" stories be banned from Lucianne?
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Kate318 10/1/2021 7:41:28 PM (No. 932471)
Yes! Not moronic or silly at all. I have been advocating for this for years now. The writing is on the wall. Smarter people than those who post on this thread have theorized ways for this to work. As another poster said, all we need are leaders to stand up and help make it happen. And, if you think that somehow the left and right will eventually come together, or that the right can rid the country of the left, YOU are dreaming.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 10/1/2021 7:43:26 PM (No. 932472)
Unless somebody has a better idea, let these lefties go and enjoy their little utopia. Good riddance, lefties. I'll have to decide which state to live in, Hopefully, western Colorado where I'm at will tell the People's Republic of Denver to take a hike. Works for me.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
GO3 10/1/2021 7:51:17 PM (No. 932475)
The problem is there are no truly Red or Blue states, especially on the West Coast or even Texas. Splitting up by states would leave the people of Eastern Washington and Oregon, and inland California at the mercy of the coastal left who control the legislatures. A better idea would be to organize the big blue cities as city-states and other than national defense and federal commerce jurisdictions (ports, airports) they could tax and spend themselves into oblivion.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
smokincol 10/1/2021 7:54:33 PM (No. 932477)
that would result in maximum unity for sure, so instead of having one unified country we'd have two unified countries - if that happens, I know where I'm going because I know the state I live in now, will continue to be blue
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
curious1 10/1/2021 8:14:13 PM (No. 932484)
No. Not a single inch goes to the commies. They are domestic enemies of the constitution. How many gullible sheeple think they won't start working on the states that they don't already control, the minute the split happens? It's past time to play cowboys and commies and clean out every last one in this Republic. Sheeple apparently haven't yet observed the way we got to where we are - by compromising with them. And compromising. Compromise is like mixing manure and ice cream. It doesn't improve the manure and it ruins the ice cream.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
Italiano 10/1/2021 8:33:15 PM (No. 932491)
That works. Then we invade and take over the Blue States.
For us here in California, from within.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
mc squared 10/1/2021 8:33:45 PM (No. 932493)
It's working.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
jimincalif 10/1/2021 8:57:30 PM (No. 932512)
I’m not surprised at these numbers. Is it a “good” idea? All things considered, no. It’s probably not even the least bad idea. But sometimes things spin out of control, triggered by an event that creates a rallying point and momentum. We’re not there yet, but moving that direction. I don’t want to live in AOC’s version of the USA, but they are not willing to back down. We are just two self-serving Democrat senators away from Obama’s “total transformation”. In the past there was always the next election to check one party’s excesses. But if elections are rigged, other much less civil options must be considered. I hope/pray there is a way to stop this before that point.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
stablemoney 10/1/2021 9:05:03 PM (No. 932517)
I want to withdraw. We can form an alliance of the states for defense. I want to restore state sovereignty and the constitution. We now have tyranny. We also have a serious personnel problem in leadership. 75% of the leaders need to be fired.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
web 10/1/2021 9:05:35 PM (No. 932518)
We could just build walls around the big cities such as San Francisco and L.A., and keep them separated from us, as we would a bunch of lunatics. So long as they continue to employ massive vote fraud to stay in power, we will never be able to keep illegal aliens and other undesirables out of the country and voting against our interests. It will only get worse and worse until we have no say in our country at all. We are nearly there now.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
Jethro bo 10/1/2021 9:11:38 PM (No. 932521)
It will be key to have LA, MS, TN, AR, MO, KY in the Free States of America. Then, the FSA would control the Mississippi and the central economies of the US. It would put a strain on the old USA economically to move all goods to and from the left and East coast. Add the Dakotas, Nebraska and Kansas and the oil rich states with Canada can dominate the world energy economy. Texas and Florida would be key as would be the Carolinas. We need the ports. Illegals will ruin Nevada, AZ and Califorinstan. Texas will add a financial market and Wall Street will collapse. The key will be immigration cause the FSA will not want illegals or fascist from the USA states. Limit immigration, dominate the cerntal US economy and dominate energy and watch the Blue states turn into the old Soviet Union.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
Aubreyesque 10/1/2021 9:47:18 PM (No. 932535)
#TEXIT.
We were our own country before. I’d like it to be so again.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
watashiyo 10/1/2021 10:33:00 PM (No. 932560)
Hawaii should go first and see how long they can last. It might start sinking like Guam.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
ldb51 10/1/2021 11:47:57 PM (No. 932599)
I have been in the camp that toys with secession as the ultimate solution.
But... no. There is no way these conniving, lowlife "progressive" democrat Marxist thugs deserve to control even one state of my wonderful Nation. They have not earned any respect, but only sought to buy it, steal it or corrupt our ideals to the point where we just can't see the light any more. They have not established any moral imperative to their views, but only intimidated, cancelled and bullied the BETTER citizens into tolerating their meanness and criminal behavior.
The Democrat party, doing homage to the model of Soviet/CCP/3rd-world knuckle-draggers, are the clear and present threat, the enemy within, the demon seed seeking our liberty's demise. They are raping our childrens' futures, robbing our civil and human rights, and laying siege to all that is good and golden about this Nation.
In my opinion, every attempt to make them understand they are poisoning the well of hope for our future and the world has been met with derision, ridicule and more venom. It is hard to accept that there really is a lower end to the Bell curves for every feature and characteristic of the human species, and that the Left has managed to capture, cultivate, and indulge so many to their benefit.
I have come to the place where I believe they have had their chances, and have chosen to reap the whirlwind. They deserve no pity, no consideration, no quarter.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
PChristopher 10/2/2021 12:15:43 AM (No. 932617)
Works for me but we I would add that we remove all Leftists from California and New York and put them in Wisconsin or Michigan.....they don't get to keep those ports!!
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
SALady 10/2/2021 12:48:05 AM (No. 932623)
I doubt it would work for the whole USA, since all the blue states and all the red states aren't right next to each other. You can't have states from one country interspersed around states from another country.
But Texas can certainly secede, and I am all for it.
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#5 has correctly identified the issue here. The communist run city-states completely dominate all election processes, which leaves the vast amount of America without any representation whatsoever.
Even my state (Illinois) is essentially a red state everywhere south of I-80. Chicago and the communists it spawns guarantees that our point of view downstate is completely ignored and we are unrepresented in government.
Let the shitlibs and their urban death holes secede from America, and leave the rest of us be. We don't need you, and don't want anything further to do with you, your communist ideology, your taxes, your woke bullshit or your out and proud deviancy on every single issue.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
Butch 10/2/2021 1:07:47 AM (No. 932630)
Americans created this great nation. We fought like hell its its creation, survival and prosperity. After two world wars, we prospered as no nation had, with an undreamed-of ecomomy. Americans built this country,, and it´s our duty to save it -- if we can keep it, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin.
The United States Government has spent this nation into penury, with the full consent of the governed, and with little to show for our squandered wealth, over the past 75 years. Now we get to pay our way out of this bottomless money pit.
There is simply no other way out of this. (I´m sure we could repudiate the sovereign debt or some other crack-brained scheme, but that is so unserious as to be laughable) Ever-more dreadful and reckless "onmibus" spending bills continually present themselves in the Congress. We taxpayers had better think twice before letting even one more bad bill pass, because stopping bad spending habits is so much more difficult than promoting good ones. In the future maybe we´ll think twice before spend $75,000,000,000,000 that we don´t have, five trillion at a pop. Not to mention all the nightmarish unfunded federal, state and municipal mandates for pensions, endless bluechip medical treatments -- it never ends. Let´s not forget how new revenue bills are being floated with 40 to 50-year terms! In the Fifties we thought the 30-year mortgage was reckless.
We built this nation and we´re responsible for its governance. We´ve been ruining the United States non-stop since the New Deal, with a few happy times like the Moon Landing. Thanks to a bunch of Marxists (whom we´ve never rooted out for the exposure they so richly deserve), they have ruined our educational system. It is now time to tighten our belts, get rid the armies of destructive hacks in the academy, and stop blaming everyone else, because there´s plenty of blame to go around.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
Strike3 10/2/2021 4:02:38 AM (No. 932663)
Such a firm division would prove that conservative states grow and prosper while blue states are parasites that fall into corruption and failure. Imagine how many miles of wall would have to be built.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
doctorfixit 10/2/2021 4:12:26 AM (No. 932665)
Kick the coastal socialist cities out of Free America. By whatever means necessary, strongly encourage liberals in Free America to move to the new costal socialist city-states.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
anniebc 10/2/2021 4:51:50 AM (No. 932672)
It would be interesting to see how fast the separated blue states would need foreign aid from the red states. The red states better not give a dime. America's deep disunity, by the way, was fomented in the obama/biden squat time.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
bad-hair 10/2/2021 5:58:16 AM (No. 932696)
The Republic of Texas approaches.
Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, S Dakota, N Dakota, Montana, Alberta (Canada), Saskatchewan (Canada), Manitoba (Canada), and a few states along the sides. Let's go EAST. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida.
We have every shipping port in The Gulf of Mexico and half the Atlantic and more oil than the Saudis ever dreamed of.
California and New York can print their own money. If they want to trade they can use Panama. We WILL protect our borders ,north, south, east, and west.
If you're coming to visit Texas bring your US passport with the pre-approved visitor's visa.
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
Strike3 10/2/2021 8:44:09 AM (No. 932786)
It was even more shocking when we separated from the UK for very similar reasons.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
Kumoan 10/2/2021 1:41:52 PM (No. 933015)
"...How to divide the military?"
Already being done by the Demorats.
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
MickTurn 10/2/2021 2:31:20 PM (No. 933056)
The Blue States will last about 2 years...1 to find out they are BROKE and no one will bail them out...second year, the Citizens Hanging ALL the politicians. It gets so bad the Chinese wouldn't take the Blue States if offered FREE!
The Red States will keep breaking records of prosperity and everyone gets rich and LOVES IT!
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
MickTurn 10/2/2021 2:38:08 PM (No. 933059)
The simpler solution would be to put in a law banning all Socialist/Marxist Philosophies in government.
Not a violation of free speech as such governments are toxic and illegal!
Ban Discussions of same, anyone proposing same tried for Treason and Shot.
Next issue?
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