Range anxiety: New testing finds electric
vehicles fall short of EPA range estimates
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Brett Rowland / The Center Square
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Posted By: Ida Lou Pino,
12/28/2023 11:24:41 AM
New testing shows that some popular electric vehicles fall short of their government-estimated driving ranges, underscoring anxiety Americans have about the range of electric vehicles. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency range estimates listed on electric vehicle window stickers and at fueleconomy.gov don't have separate city and highway ranges, as they do with conventional cars and hybrids. Consumer Reports, the nonprofit research, testing, and consumer advocacy organization, put electric vehicles to the test.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
SkyKing1222 12/28/2023 11:30:43 AM (No. 1625656)
Electile Dysfunction
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 12/28/2023 11:50:22 AM (No. 1625674)
EV lack of range is the huge problem of these vehicles, with the secondary factor of absolutely unacceptably long time required to recharge the batteries. The standard compromise quicker "recharge" when away from home is to charge only up to 80% of full charge, therefore losing 1/5th of the already too short range.
So -- your EV range is listed as 200 miles, and we find that in the real world it is 150 miles. And when recharging in a "hurry" (a few hours) while trying to travel somewhere, you only get 80% of that, so your second leg of your SLOW journey will be only 120. And that's 120 until the car STOPS, you had better be looking for a charging station by about 100 miles.
And what if you get to the charging station that you locate with your phone and it is out of service, as many are, or someone just got there ahead of you? You then wait 2 or more hours while the previous person charges, and then wait two hours or more for your charge. 150 miles, then two to four hours at the charging station (if you find one) and then you can go 100 more before you better start looking for another charging station. Read the real world stories of people who try to travel with an EV. This is what actually happens.
I regularly drive from KC area to a home in remote southern Colorado mountains. 2/3 of that trip is in very rural Kansas and Colorado. My bet is that there are VERY few charging stations on this 700+ mile trip, and that with an EV it would likely take two to three days to complete, adding hundreds of dollars in hotel charges plus the time lost to a trip that normally takes us one day, with one 15 minute fuel and bathroom break plus food stops. We can make it in as little as 9 hours or more relaxed 11 hours.
And some legs there is more than 100 miles between towns of any size at all. Probably making the normal route impossible for many EVs these days. But even the I-70 corridor has how many EV charging stations in Oakley, or Wakeeney, or Colby or Goodland? My bet is none, but perhaps there are one or two. I don't see many EVs on I-70 west of Topeka, ever.
In an EV, easily two days, perhaps three to make a one day trip. EVs are useless to me for much of my driving. I won't spend that much for a commuter car tethered to my home charger.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Terry_tr6 12/28/2023 12:18:18 PM (No. 1625693)
How can you tell an EV has run out of charge? It's not on fire.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
seamusm 12/28/2023 12:21:39 PM (No. 1625697)
Even if there were thousands of charging stations everywhere including every home, EV's are still impractical in many areas where weather extremes impair battery efficiency. The time it takes to recharge even with a level 3 fast charger is roughly 30 minutes - much longer than it takes to fill up with gas. EV's are okay for everyday commuting to and from work and charging overnight. But EV's weigh much more than the average gas auto so wear and tear on roads will require more frequent and expensive resurfacing. Ev's are a technology not ready for today. Consumers understand this even if our elitist 'betters' try to foist them upon industry and the rest of us. Most EV's will languish unsold till they cost less than a regular gas car in spite of government incentives.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 12/28/2023 12:35:36 PM (No. 1625712)
Notice how they are listing the range estimates, not how much energy they consume per mile like MPG. This is by design so you can't actually compare the eV costs per mile to the ICE.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DiegoDude 12/28/2023 1:09:51 PM (No. 1625721)
Lived in Montana for 33 years. Let's see what your "guesstimated range" is when the wind is whipping at 40-50 mph and it's 30-40 below zero.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
crashnburn 12/28/2023 1:14:27 PM (No. 1625724)
We already knew EV range was over estimated. I heard that 90% of EVs are on the road. The rest either caught fire or made it home.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
bamboozle 12/28/2023 1:23:04 PM (No. 1625726)
As New Hampshire has discovered, after storms take out the power grid, recharge times are measured in weeks not hours. Imagine the load on the grid when all the EVS in the state try to charge at once.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
mc squared 12/28/2023 1:30:57 PM (No. 1625727)
Kelly Blue Book on repairing or scrapping lightly damaged EVs:
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/insurers-are-writing-off-lightly-damaged-teslas/
EVERYBODY pays for that in our rates.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
jalo1951 12/28/2023 1:55:34 PM (No. 1625736)
So hard to believe that the government would lie to us. s/o FJB and his minions
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
mc squared 12/28/2023 2:53:21 PM (No. 1625746)
We know all the reasons why EVs are not viable for most people. They limit our travel and prevent people from moving out of the blue cities.
Our 'betters' know that too.
Keep fuel on hand and your powder dry.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
walcb 12/28/2023 5:16:12 PM (No. 1625795)
To add to the extra wear and tear on the roads because of their heavier weight, they also pay no fuel tax. The IC drivers are paying for the govt. subsidies that EV buyers get and also pay for the roads they drive on. That overlooks all the recharging facilities the govt. has yet to build (and IC drivers to pay for).
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The study didn't count the EVs which burst into flames before running out of juice.