Megachurch Pastor Rick Warren Goes Scorched
Earth in Effort to Push Southern Baptists
Down the Slippery Woke Slope

I am pretty confident that Rick Warren's "god" went from Jesus to money somewhere along the way... I am a woman who has actually read the Bible (something I am not certain that Rick Warren has done in many years) and the Bible is very clear about women not being pastors. As Baptists, we have always strived to stay true to God, not to the whims of modern society. Sadly, I don't think Rick Warren has truly been Baptist (or Christian period) in a very long time!!!

Crap like this is why I no longer attend Sunday services. Most all 'preachers' are creepy hypocrites.

Warren is an apostate.

Don't do it, Baptists.

Anyone who thinks women can’t lead and pastor churches is ignorant of church history and of how patriarchalists subverted the Gospel of the New Creation and reinstituted male control because they wrongly believed the post-fall state of males and females was God’s original intent. Yes, I’ve read 1 Timothy 2—many many times. Go study what was going on in Ephesus at the time before assuming it teaches that women can’t be pastors. Southern Baptists used to be a lot more biblical before a**hats and rapist-protectors like Paige Patterson took over.

Huh?

Great expose' on another wolf in sheep's clothing. Thanks for posting!

The saddest part of this whole thing is that all the good he has done will probably be overshadowed by this. I have to wonder if his wife is behind this whole thing. As in all church splits I ask the same question, "Where is/was Jesus in all this?"

I wonder if he includes men pretending to be women in his demand?

Judas.

No priestess needed.

No, it's not a clear teaching that women cannot be pastors. When Paul said for the women at Ephesus, where Timothy was, to stop usurping authority over the men and be silent in the churches, he was addressing a problem with the mystery cults, the temples of Diana, Artemis, Isis, etc., were all female led, and they had the cult of Eve, that because she was the mother of all living women has a secret knowledge that men could not obtain. It's clear Paul was addressing this issue of women who had been involved in the mystery cults trying to usurp authority in the church like they did in the pagan temples, because Paul then states that Eve was deceived, not Adam (striking at the belief that women had superior knowledge men could not obtain), then he said Adam was first formed, striking at the cult of Eve of being the mother of all living. Some of you need to read a book titled, "I suffer not a woman" that explains the historicity of Paul's day and what he was addressing. And # 1, your first sentence speaks more about you than Rick Warren.

Take care of your own congregation, Rick, and allow others the same privilege. Stop proselytizing in the name of wokeness.

Never heard of a pastor bragging about how many people THEY baptized. Completely the opposite of the Apostle Paul.

Warren has ruined more churches than Saint Paul built.

When the apostle Paul I believe it was said women should remain silent in the church, I take that to mean they should not be pastors of any kind. They can lead Bible studies with other women, mentor other women, but as the lead pastor of their church? Definitely NO. Any church that installs female pastors of any kind starts the slippery slope to oblivion.

In the pastoral epistles (I, II Timothy, Titus), Paul lists the qualifications of a congregational leader, one being "the husband of one wife." I fail to see how that can be misinterpreted - whether invoking the culture of the day or not. Paul does not demean the role of women in the Church; they are just not to hold the office of congregational leader. People who wish otherwise, are imposing their current culture upon Holy Scripture. Women being denied the Office of Pastor neither diminishes their role in the Church, nor does it mean there is inequality in the members of Christ's Body. Let Scripture interpret Scripture.

#5,#12~ By some standards, being dismissive of God’s teachings/commands in Scripture may be perilously close to blasphemy. Picking and choosing passages from Scripture attempting to lend credence to an issue while disregarding the totality of Scripture on such an issue may lead to misunderstanding and/or twisting the true meaning of what is written in Scripture. Scripture interprets Scripture. Women are forbidden from being ordained as pastors/priests: Exodus 23:1 ~ 1 Corinthians 14:34 ~ 1Timothy 2:11-12. Apostle Paul wrote: “ ALL SCRIPTURE IS BREATHED OUT BY GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,” (2 Timothy 3:16) Apostle Peter wrote: “...knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but MEN SPOKE FROM GOD AS THEY WERE CARRIED ALONG BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.” (2 Peter 1:20-21) To be clear, Scripture is the inerrant Word of God. What is written in Scripture is what God wanted written in Scripture.

#18 you're ignorant of the situation that Paul was addressing that those receiving his letter would fully understand. You need to read a book by Kroger titled, "I suffer not a woman" to under stand the historical situation of the first century church, of how women in the mystery cults that were all female led (men were not allowed positions of authority) were attempting to exercise that authority in the church. As I noted, statements Paul made writing to Timothy addresses this cult, in particular statements Paul made about Eve were made to contradict the cult of Eve these women used to support their superior spiritual knowledge. The problem is people don't understand what Paul was addressing, and then ignore all the instances of women speaking in the church, teaching men like Pricilla taught Apollos, women deacons, apostles, prophets both old and new testament, and Deborah was a judge, who was spokes person from God to the people. The accusation you made of us picking and choosing is your spin to elevating your higher undestanding, when you're totally ignorant of the real issue.

The "historical situation" argument assumes that the purported situation has been accurately deduced; a questionable proposition at best. Also ignores the Holy Spirit's explanation of why women are precluded from certain offices in the church. "For it was the woman who was deceived (in the Garden) not the man" That explanation has nothing to do with mystery cults, but The Fall itself.

#20 You're unfamiliar with the historicity and the mystery cults and the cult of Eve; so, you shouldn't speak as someone who is abreast of that. It's no coincidence that Paul pointed out that Adam was first, not Eve, and that the woman (Eve) was deceived, but not Adam: both points directly contradicting the cult of Eve. Women in the mystery cults usurped authority in those pagan temples due to this cult of Eve where they believed women had a superior spiritual knowledge that men were unable to attain. When Paul said for those women to stop usurping authority, but be silent in church, indicates they were associated with the temple of Diana in Ephesus where no men were allowed to have positions of authority. Paul told them to be silent (shut up) but in 1 Corinthians Paul gives instructions for women prophesying in the church; so, which is it? Women are to be silent in church, or they can speak in church? You see Paul was dealing with a specific situation in the church where Timothy was, evidenced by Paul making statements directly contradicting the Cult of Eve that was a major source of why only women usurped positions of authority in the mystery cults. Those at the church in Ephesus knew the what Paul was addressing, but people like you misinterpret why Paul spoke about Eve, reading an explanation into it that is no where stated, when there is a perfect explanation that fits the historicity of a problem in the early church that church historians are aware of. So, please do some research. One book I recommend is "I Suffer Not a Woman," written by two professors.

Interesting comments. I honestly had not hear the "mystery cults" explanation before. But I come down on the side of male leadership in the church, just as the husband is the head of the wife in the home. To me this is pretty clear. I had heard one commentary about "women keeping silent" that postulated the women in the church were berating their husbands publicly, and Paul wanted THAT stopped.

I am not going to say never but the female pastors I've been around does not make me confident in wanting more. It is hit or miss in getting a very good female pastor but my experiences have shown me it is usually a miss.

I don’t know Rick Warren from Adam, but I believe that just being the leader of a Mega-Church makes him suspect as to him actually representing God. Anybody who became rich off of being the leader of a church has no integrity. Any church he leads likely a cess pool of faulty teachings and charlatans.

Leftie churches are already in the gates of Hades banging on the door for Lucifer to let them in...now the Woke Dope Broke will finish them off!

#19~ Referencing #12, “No, it's not a clear teaching that women cannot be pastors...” / #18 remains firm and true and applies to #20 as well: “Disregarding the totality of Scripture on such an issue may lead to misunderstanding and/or twisting the true meaning of what is written in Scripture. Scripture interprets Scripture. Women are forbidden from being ordained as pastors/priests.” In God’s creation, God gave men and women different responsibilities and duties; in the church, “God has gifted men and women with different, though complementary, opportunities and responsibilities for service. ... Men have the divine obligation to be the spiritual leaders of the church. Women are called to be of assistance to men in this capacity.” God gave the responsibility to serve as “representatives of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, in the pastoral office.” Women have not been called to serve in this way because God did not give them that responsibility. Jesus did not call any women to become apostles. Through the Apostle Paul, Jesus prohibits women from serving as pastors in the church. Why? That is a question to be answered by God. The Scriptures are inerrant and many believers “receive what God has given to us in His Word.” Some may choose to disregard that Word revealed through what the Lord revealed through the Apostle Paul as have some churches and some individuals. What St. Paul wrote was not his opinion it was a command of the Lord. “The Greek term authentein occurs only one time in the New Testament at 1 Timothy 2:12, where Paul writes: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (NIV; the English Standard Version has “exercise authority over”). Lexical studies conducted since 1985 confirm “that the term ought to be translated ‘exercise authority over.’” The English Standard Version accurately translates 1 Timothy 2:12: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” As for this household, the only book that needs to be read and preferred to be read is “The Holy Bible”. Mortal man’s academic credentials are no match for the wisdom and knowledge imparted to mortal man by our Creator.

@ # 26 At least make some effort to look into this. Everyone in Ephesus, where Timothy led the church, worshipped the goddess Artemis. The Artemis cult was female-led. Her temple there was one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. Because of the belief of female-superiority, the Artemis cult also taught that evil was brought forth by man, as he was the one deceived in the Creation account. Paul's statement in 1 Timothy 2 on Eve being deceived, not the man, was made to directly contradict that. Furthermore, the Artemis myth taught that women were the author of men, and women of that time were going around saying that they were superior to men. This is also known as the cult of Eve, the mother of all living. But In 1 Timothy 2 Paul writes that Adam was first, not Eve, to dispel this heretical teaching used by some women to usurp authority in the church worship. The following is copied from an article: "Greg Hoag offers some incredible insight in his book on the worshippers of Artemis. In fact, his research mostly stemmed from Ephesiaca—a novel written by Xenophon of Ephesus around the year 50 AD (which happens to be around the same time Paul was in Ephesus). In the novel, Xenophon of Ephesus talks about cultic activity associated with wealth, and specific things women used to show their piety to the goddess Artemis—namely, dress codes and hairstyle. This is significant, as it links directly to the first instruction Paul gives to women in 1 Timothy 2:9. You see, worshippers of Artemis would ordain themselves with gold and pearls as to flaunt their wealth, as well as wear their hair in a certain way that imitated the goddess, in order to show their commitment and express their worship. This is exactly what Paul is addressing in the text—telling the Christian women to NOT adorn themselves with expensive clothing and hairstyles (associated with Artemis), but to adorn themselves modestly, with good deeds, to show their piety toward God." https://katarmas.com/blog/2018/8/2/1-timothy-2-why-does-paul-tell-women-to-shut-it Now, keep all of the above in mind while reading 1 Timothy 2:9-15. "9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10 but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. 11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. " So, Paul was dealing with a specific issue in the church at Ephesus, instructing the women not to dress like the Artemis cult, and to stop usurping authority like is done in that female-led cult, and he further dispels that cult by making statements contrary to that cults teaching on the superiority of women, namely that Adam was first, not the woman, and it was the woman who was deceived, not the man. This was not meant to be a precedent for all women of all time, but rather Paul addressed a problem in Ephesus. Paul had first hand experience butting heads with the Artemis cult in Ephesus. Paul's teachings hurt the merchants trading in all these cultic adornments for women, leading them to riot in Ephesus. Acts 19:24-28, "24 For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen. 25 These he gathered together, with the workmen in similar trades, and said, “Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. And you see and hear that not only in Ephesus but in almost all of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27 And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be counted as nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship.” 28 When they heard this they were enraged and were crying out, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”

#27~ Having been an avid reader of Scripture for more than 60 years, am quite familiar with the background of Apostle Paul’s teachings that include the admonition to the church at Ephesus as well as Artemis and the social behavior of people at that time. Again, the initial response of #18 remains firm and true. #27 ??? / “This was NOT MEANT TO BE A PRECEDENT FOR ALL WOMEN OF ALL TIME, but rather Paul addressed a problem in Ephesus.” 1 Corinthians 14:37 – 14: Prophecy and Tongues (33-38) / “AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS, ... in submission, as THE LAW also says. ... the things I am writing to you are A COMMAND OF THE LORD. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.” 1 Corinthians 4:15-17 - The Ministry of Apostles / “...AS I TEACH THEM EVERYWHERE IN EVERY CHURCH. The ministry of both men and women in the church is DETERMINED BY GOD, on the basis of what happened at creation and at the fall of man in Genesis 1-3: 1 Timothy 2:12-14 - Pray for All People: “12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” Galatians 3:28 - By Faith, or by Works of THE LAW? / “28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. Galatians 6:11-16 - Final Warning and Benediction / “15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but A NEW CREATION. 16 And as for ALL WHO WALK BY THIS RULE, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.” Romans 16:17-18 - Final Instructions and Greetings / “... WATCH OUT FOR THOSE WHO CAUSE DIVISIONS AND CREATE OBSTACLES CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT; AVOID THEM. ... they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Referencing the statement pasted below from #27, chapter and verse for declaring that what Apostle Paul wrote to the church in Ephesus was not meant to be a precedent for all women of all time would be appropriate.

#21 Scripture implies that women are not as bright as men. I concur.