Americans aren’t
lining up to buy EVs — despite the new
$7,500 Inflation Reduction Act tax credit.
Here are the 2 big reasons why
MoneyWise,
by
Vishesh Raisinghani
Original Article
Posted By: bad-hair,
4/27/2023 12:37:08 PM
If only electric vehicles would shoot sparks — in the marketplace, that is. Despite the billions of dollars invested by private corporations, and government subsidies, Americans are still indifferent as a whole over electric vehicles. Just two in every 10 Americans say they are “very likely” to buy an EV as their next car, according to a recent survey by the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute and the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.CORRECTON*
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
ladydawgfan 4/27/2023 12:53:55 PM (No. 1457696)
Compare the size of most European countries to the size of the average US state. Given the limited range of EVs, an EV driver couldn't halfway across Texas without spending 6-8 hours recharging their battery, provided there is a working charger even available. Meanwhile, someone driving a normal vehicle will only need to find a gas station, spend 10 minutes filling their tank and then continue their journey.
Count me among the "Never EV" crowd.
88 people like this.
Reply 2 - Posted by:
Californian 4/27/2023 1:01:42 PM (No. 1457702)
Gas fill up: 5 minutes.
EV to 80%: 20-50 minutes depending on charger.
Not recommend for long trips unless you know where chargers are along the way and you have time to stop for food while charging.
30 people like this.
Reply 3 - Posted by:
Sanchin 4/27/2023 1:04:43 PM (No. 1457705)
Biden Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm testified Wednesday to the Senate Armed Services Committee that she supported requiring the United States military to move to an all-electric vehicle fleet by 2030. This how stupid these people are. How does that fleet work in battlefield conditions when there are no chargers.? How do they work when the power grid has been knocked out? How much more money does the Military need to make this conversion? How did Americans allow themselves to be led by such complete idiots?
109 people like this.
Reply 4 - Posted by:
snakeoil 4/27/2023 1:09:46 PM (No. 1457706)
Over 100 years ago America had plenty of electric and steam cars. But then the internal combustion engine cars powered by gasoline showed up and the electric and steam cars disappeared. It was a market driven phenomena. It was a better car. What we have now is a tyrant infesting the White House who wants to shove EVs down our throats. And his favorite car is a Corvette. Other factors enter into EVs not being sold. The burst into flames at an alarming rate. Every now and then the companies that make EVs will tell the public not to park them in their garage because they my so up in smoke. Plus the parts needed for an EV come from China which is building coal plants to turn out the parts. The world has gone insane.
80 people like this.
Reply 5 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 4/27/2023 1:34:16 PM (No. 1457723)
When I get a job delivering milk in the neighborhood I may consider an electric vehicle or a horse and cart.
31 people like this.
Reply 6 - Posted by:
SALady 4/27/2023 1:41:07 PM (No. 1457729)
My husband and I are retired. We love to visit national parks and other scenic wonders this nation has to offer. Last year, we drove from central Texas to northwest Washington state to attend our nieces wedding and go to Olympic National Park. We made it in four days, since we were able to drive 10+ hours a day -- stopping for 10 minutes (at most) to get gas, use the bathroom, and maybe grab a snack to eat, when our tank got low. Until they develop the charging technology to fully charge an electric car that quickly, they are totally useless to us.
Fortunately, we are old, and probably won't live to see EV's being rammed down everyone's throats. Because there isn't a bat's chance in Hades we would buy one voluntarily!!!!!
80 people like this.
Reply 7 - Posted by:
slipstik 4/27/2023 1:44:55 PM (No. 1457736)
Ya know how they put out EV fires in some euro countries?
Well, they roll up with a knock down swimming pool. They then construct it around the conflagration (which includes people they can't extract) and fill it with 20,000 or more gallons of water and let it cook until the fire finally sputters out. Tesla soup, with roasted meat chunks.
Guess what you can do with your EV?
This might be the government's agenda, but it ain't too high on my priority list.
28 people like this.
Reply 8 - Posted by:
mc squared 4/27/2023 1:47:41 PM (No. 1457737)
Here's another reason people don't want them: Brandon thinks they're swell and will force us all into them.
40 people like this.
Reply 9 - Posted by:
chagrined 4/27/2023 2:07:32 PM (No. 1457746)
Poster #4, how about they WANT to sabotage the military with lame-o EVs. Many of our betters in the gov worship the money they receive from Uncle Xi!
44 people like this.
Reply 10 - Posted by:
Birddog 4/27/2023 2:16:44 PM (No. 1457752)
I'm 64yo, bought my 1st car, actually a pickup truck, when I was 15yo...have had a LOT of cars and trucks since, ALL of them cost less than $7500, I paid cash for all but one, even for that one I had the cash in hand, but was told I needed to establish "Credit", so I put the $5k into a CD at a bank and borrowed the money for the used Jeep. Made payments for a year to establish "Credit" then paid it off.
The concept of ME assuming even part of a $7500 subsidy for someone else to buy a NEW car THEY cannot afford? Ludicrous, ridiculous...and offensive.
My HOUSE is paid off because I paid cash for cars...and anything else I have ever purchased.
Some of these people are getting a $7500 subsidy to purchase a NEW car with a sticker price higher than what I paid for my HOUSE.(Purchased at a tax sale, for less than 1/2 of assessed value... now with a market valuation of 4 times what I paid)
48 people like this.
Reply 11 - Posted by:
Mass Minority 4/27/2023 2:40:39 PM (No. 1457770)
I am willing to admit that evs have significant advantages ove ICE vehicles in performance and maintainance. An electric motor is just flat out a better powerplant. That being said widespread adoption will require three things. Even without considering the whole lithium extraction, electricity generation issue.
1. The range needs to be at least 400 miles regardless of vehicle type or weather.
2. Charging stations must be in place and as abundant as current gas stations
3. Charging times need to be around 30 minutes for a full charge. 400 miles is about 6 hours driving, a 30 minute break every 6 hours is pretty normal, even for a gas car.
I just drove from PA to TN and back, 1600 miles total 4 fill ups almost entirely Interstate driving averaging 63 mph in a Dodge Ram (19.8 mpg). An EV that met the above criteria would have been fine. But that EV doesn't exist yet so I won't even consider trading in the Ram until it does.
That relatively short drive across a small part of the eastern US is roughly equivalent to a round trip drive from Paris to Warsaw. Thats why EV sales in the US lag.
15 people like this.
Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 4/27/2023 2:44:47 PM (No. 1457775)
EVs are a joke. Only really useable for short distance, around town use when you can park them at home for a full charge overnight.
And, yeah, you CAN "charge" an EV in less than overnight, but not fully charge, and the shorter you make the charge cycle, the more heating, damage and risk of fire from the batteries. This results in, at minimum, reduced battery life, or.....perhaps burning your house down.
26 people like this.
Reply 13 - Posted by:
downnout 4/27/2023 3:39:58 PM (No. 1457802)
Colonel! Colonel! Call a time out! We need to recharge our tank!!
33 people like this.
Reply 14 - Posted by:
formerNYer 4/27/2023 4:05:24 PM (No. 1457813)
if you gave me one free and I'd still wouldn't want it. Unless i could sell it to some woke liberal and keep the money.
30 people like this.
Reply 15 - Posted by:
montwoodcliff 4/27/2023 4:08:10 PM (No. 1457815)
My wife said to me that the reason people are rushing to buy ICE cars is because they want to get one while they can before they are phased out. The only reason one might want an electric car is to tool around town or travel in a 75 mile radius from their home where they can charge it overnight, and that electric vehicle is a mighty expensive toy. If the USA produces 14 million vehicles a year, and China 20 million, and whatever Europe produces, and they all are electric, I think the world will run out of lithium, cobalt, and nickel before oil! The piston powered internal combustion engine has fended off all comers since it was invented in the 19th Century, from electric, steam, turbine, and even the Wankel challenges.
22 people like this.
Reply 16 - Posted by:
texaspast 4/27/2023 4:33:36 PM (No. 1457835)
It is not unusual for me to drive 400 to 500+ miles in a day. With air conditioning, in a very comfortable F-150 Lariat. 'Lectric ain't gonna work for me, A-TALL. And with a trailer? Right.
24 people like this.
Reply 17 - Posted by:
Starboard_side 4/27/2023 4:34:53 PM (No. 1457838)
Let's first have every member of Congress buy one, and use it regularly.
Have the stop flying private jets, and drive back and forth so they can see how useful they are.
I know they're pushing these at the Ports, but the truckers who have the very few, can't use them for many truck moves as they may not have a charging station nearby the destination door location so they can return. Also have an issue with DOT hours of service rules that impact ability to use an EV truck to move those ocean containers.
Maybe they are a good idea in 35-40 years but not in 7 when there isn't the infrastructure to support.
18 people like this.
Reply 18 - Posted by:
Red Jeep 4/28/2023 7:08:03 AM (No. 1458219)
Did you know a coal powered EV weigh several hundred to a 1000+ lbs, more than a gas powered vehicle depending on model? Wonder what road damage they might do if the majority of people used them.
15 people like this.
Reply 19 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/28/2023 7:35:48 AM (No. 1458237)
Yeah, indifferent, that's how I feel. I wouldn't buy one of those overpriced, unreliable, exploding toys if the alternative was walking. The absent infrastructure to keep them charged and running is like building trains but not tracks. The average driver is wise enough to see that there will never be enough power available. The overall concept is stupid and the damage to the environment is increased. Most of all, the government is pushing them hard so you know it's a bad idea.
16 people like this.
Reply 20 - Posted by:
Slartibartfast 4/28/2023 7:44:45 AM (No. 1458241)
#4, your last question is the question of the day! Or maybe the question of the decade!!
9 people like this.
Reply 21 - Posted by:
LLAMA 4/28/2023 8:32:53 AM (No. 1458281)
Notice how many gas stations exist now, and get an idea of how many super-charging stations would be needed for an all EV fleet in America. Not just on the Interstate Highway system, but on every state, county, and town network! Then realize that when you do stop for a recharge, there will likely be several cars ahead of you at a super-charge EV station, which takes approximately 30 minutes per car. So you will have to wait in line for several hours before even starting to recharge. For example, if there are a mere 4 EVs ahead of you, it would take about 2 1/2 hours to recharge your EV. Most of the time even now, when I fill up at Costco, there are at least 4-5 cars ahead of me, but I get refueled in less than 20 minutes.
12 people like this.
Reply 22 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 4/28/2023 8:33:18 AM (No. 1458283)
EVs are impractical, expensive, and a waste of money.
13 people like this.
Reply 23 - Posted by:
EVRgreen4058 4/28/2023 9:20:34 AM (No. 1458334)
So many unanswered questions concerning the production and eventual disintegration of the EV's it is a ridiculous insult to anyone's intelligence. For example{ What is actually CHARGING those charging stations? Where and how are the components being produced with an emphasis on the TOXIC ingredients no one ever wants to mention! And then there is the DISPOSAL as they simply can't disintegrate into NOTHING! EV's are just a plaything for progressives who are always clamoring for the latest while preaching from their Elitist thrones about saving the environment and also following that cherished SCIENCE! But the worst part is how our taxpayers $$$ gets channeled into this crapola by unelected bureaucrats who ALWAYS MANAGE to profit from their boondoggles! PS> and EV's aren't the only items that fit their money making schemes either-
9 people like this.
Reply 24 - Posted by:
stablemoney 4/28/2023 10:18:09 AM (No. 1458389)
I don't think limited battery ranges, and charging stations is practical in Texas. I already have all the battery devises I intend to spend time charging. I don't want to pay up extra for the vehicle insurance. The manufacturers give no data on the battery life and charging decline as these batteries age. I don't want to be in a crash with a battery that can explode. I am never buying an electric vehicle.
11 people like this.
Reply 25 - Posted by:
RedWhiteBlue 4/28/2023 10:29:03 AM (No. 1458394)
Approx. how much does it cost to fill up a EV? No one ever mentioned the cost.
8 people like this.
Reply 26 - Posted by:
Zigrid 4/28/2023 11:14:38 AM (No. 1458425)
I was born in the ole country...and during the war...WWII...we used bicycles to go anywhere....with gas rationing and limited funds it was our only mode of transportation...besides walking everywhere...within reason....it didn't hurt me...I'm very sturdy and learned early in my life...I was responsible for myself....I even held my school track record...bet I could have beat a cross/dresser to the finish line....
8 people like this.
Reply 27 - Posted by:
SouthernYankee 4/28/2023 2:07:45 PM (No. 1458518)
i live in the country. 30 minutes to a grocery store. 45 minutes to MD. I am retired i have the time to wait but no money to buy. i also know it is fossil fuels that power the batteries that drive the car.
6 people like this.
Reply 28 - Posted by:
DiegoDude 4/28/2023 2:19:57 PM (No. 1458526)
On a trip from PA to AR, I took my gas guzzling RAM 1500 and got 20 mpg. My "range" for a full tank was 480 miles with fill up time being roughly 15 minutes if we hit the bathroom. Kiss my @$$ if you think I'm getting an EV.
6 people like this.
Reply 29 - Posted by:
Paglia guy 4/28/2023 9:26:13 PM (No. 1458784)
Wow, this article proves itself worthless when it announces this big tax incentive "hasn't worked." This idiot author doesn't realize this tax credit begin in the CURRENT tax year, therefore claims are due April 2024. Measure it then, Hari Krishna. Sorry I didn't get here so this is so far down the string!
0 people like this.
Reply 30 - Posted by:
chagrined 4/28/2023 9:38:29 PM (No. 1458793)
In deference to #21, but poster #4 "How did Americans allow themselves to be led by such complete idiots?". The simplest and most complete answer is, they didn't. Stolen elections have consequences!
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86% in Norway. Do you know the cost of a gas (Mercedes) car in Norway? The elctrics are probably cheaper and most Noggies walk everywhere anyway.