Scores of congregations quit United Methodist
Church over gay clergy, same-sex marriage
Daily Mail (UK),
by
Mark A. Kellner
Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon,
2/14/2022 11:07:02 PM
At least 130 congregations have quietly walked away from the United Methodist Church in a schism over the denomination’s planned acceptance of same-sex marriage and homosexual clergy. The breakaway congregations are keeping their church property thanks to a “conscience clause” enacted by the group’s legislative assembly in 2019. The United Methodist Church General Conference, the church’s governing body, is expected this year to approve a separation plan that would create two denominations: one affirming bans on gay clergy and same-sex marriage, and one permitting homosexual clergy and same-sex marriage. That move has been postponed because of the pandemic and might be delayed again.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
padiva 2/14/2022 11:16:52 PM (No. 1072213)
I left the Methodist church in the late 70's. I was scripturally starving there and didn't know it.
I graduated from a Methodist college. I never gave to the alumni fund and never will.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
SALady 2/14/2022 11:21:54 PM (No. 1072215)
As I get older, I can understand people that belong to fundamentalist churches (like Baptist and Church of Christ). And I can understand people on the other extreme that belong to the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
I totally don't understand these denominations in the middle that just don't seem to stand for anything (and consequently fall for these woke ideas far too easily). I really pray for the Methodist churches that have to leave their denomination to try to stay true to God. May they grow and prosper in their faith.
And I really expect the Methodist churches that are staying and supporting this heresy to die out pretty quickly. A church that spits in God's face doesn't have much to stand on...
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Attila 2/14/2022 11:27:50 PM (No. 1072219)
OP - Thanks for this post. (sshhh - You are one of my favs regarding posts and responses!)
I must confess that I haven't been to church in many years. Why? I'll not name this very VERY old denomination, but it did the same as these Methodists are doing. I really do miss going. My soul and spirit could use some uplift. I figure I'll start going again when my denomination figures out that THEY need uplift more than do I. hmmm... maybe I should break a 300 year family record and try some other group which hasn't yet yielded to wackadoodles?
And with my standard inclusion, I'll again say that in my voting since early '70s, have NEVER voted for a dimoRat!
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
JoElla Bee 2/14/2022 11:41:15 PM (No. 1072230)
The great need is for everyone to search and study God’s word rather than take the word of anyone without doing so. Do as the Bereans (Acts 17:11) who did just that. They didn’t even take the word of the apostle Paul himself without checking Scripture! “These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.”
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Northcross 2/14/2022 11:45:40 PM (No. 1072231)
“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot." Matthew 5:13. Either the church will change the world, or the world will change the church, and the Methodists appear to fall in the latter category.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
formerNYer 2/15/2022 12:30:04 AM (No. 1072241)
Leftist ruin everything they touch.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
PChristopher 2/15/2022 12:30:24 AM (No. 1072242)
I was born and raised Methodist and I knew that trouble was creeping in when the Youth Ministers started showing up in the late 60's, early 70's with their quiet liberal/progressive agendas, slowly dumbing down the liturgy to the point where services now are a shadow of what they used to be. After college, in the early 80's, I joined a conservative Lutheran congregation that was much more to my liking.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Pammie 2/15/2022 12:58:52 AM (No. 1072250)
The “United” Methodist Church is losing membership over some Pastors, District Superintendents and Bishops not believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins. The homosexual argument is somewhat true but is a front to call church members names and force no recognition of forgiveness for sin. Also conservatives who want to follow the Methodist doctrine and discipline are the ones who tithe! GEEZE!
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
DVC 2/15/2022 12:59:35 AM (No. 1072252)
This is why I do not go to Methodist churches any more. They are extremely leftist, essentially communist.
The Methodist churches I went to as a child were very much Bible loving, normal Protestant churches. The national Methodists are unrecognizable crazy leftists who do not follow the Bible.
They left me, I didn't change.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
qr4j 2/15/2022 1:01:35 AM (No. 1072253)
You can always try the Free Methodists. They are called Free because they would not rent out their pews to wealthy people as was the practice of some Methodists in the 1800s. They are traditional and evangelical.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
MrDeplorable 2/15/2022 1:10:15 AM (No. 1072258)
#1, ditto for me but ten years before you and have never given a dime to the college—now soi disant University!— and never will.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
chumley 2/15/2022 4:15:05 AM (No. 1072287)
My mom left them twenty years ago for just that reason, and she told them why. They didnt care. So she died churchless and without a minister to perform the ceremony. I did it myself, putting aside my own Wiccan beliefs and doing it as a Christian might. I hope it was the way she would have wanted it.
I know if I'd found a minister at that abomination church hers had become, she'd still be haunting me.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Amoeba 2/15/2022 5:22:58 AM (No. 1072316)
I left the Methodists many years ago. They are the liberal form of a do-do-dont-do religion that says to be a Christian you got be liberal politically and socially. The other kind of do-do-dont-do churches say 'Jesus Saves, but you gotta do-do the law of Moses' to be saved. Since 1982 I am with teachingfaith.com who simply teaches correctly that Jesus Saves. You cant do anything to assist His Work. If you want to know about The Last Days, then go to the website and read free ebooks or see free video teaching on that subject. Whats being peddled by regular denomination preachers and seminaries is science fiction about a secret rapture and great tribulation and the false prophet. There's teaching on giving, discipleship, change of mind ( which is the real definition of repent), spiritual warfare, Table of the Lord, and other subjects. teachingfaith.com or FaithComethByHearing on youtube, or on roku and on amazon. The false prophet was mohammed. Islam was the 7th beast of Revelation and is now the 8th Beast.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
ussjimmycarter 2/15/2022 6:18:53 AM (No. 1072343)
This church body is very much like the ELVA Lutherans! Scripture is torn apart and thrown in the dust in favor of Wokeness! The Lutheran Church MO. Synod remains true to preaching Christ and Christ crucified! Salvation is open to all sinners through the proper preaching of Law and Gospel! His Word remains supreme! It’s very comforting to those of us who are sinners seeking Grace!
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 2/15/2022 6:34:35 AM (No. 1072346)
Unfortunately, the Presbyterians did this years ago. The church I grew up in is no longer recognizable.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
philsner 2/15/2022 8:06:54 AM (No. 1072404)
Why does this say Daily Mail when the link leads to a Washington Times subscriber only article?
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 2/15/2022 9:10:43 AM (No. 1072472)
Around 14 years ago they stopped believing that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, I knew a United Methodist Church that split away then, or at least the people left, the building stayed.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
walcb 2/15/2022 9:12:54 AM (No. 1072476)
Good question #16, I don't need to read the article to know the substance though. I like many posters was raised Methodist and gave up on them in the 70s. I was gaining a lot of respect for the Catholic church but that evaporated with the latest pope. The Christian Church has followed the path of the Methodist, Apostolic Christian Church seems to be too oppressive, Lutheran services just seem to foreign to me, patterned more along the Catholic faith--which is fine but I just always feel like an outsider there.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Hermoine 2/15/2022 9:17:01 AM (No. 1072485)
Would really like to read this article but it links to the Washington Times and is Subscriber Only...anyone have a link that works?
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
red1066 2/15/2022 10:03:38 AM (No. 1072570)
It's not just Methodists. It's become evident that many people have stopped going to church simply because the preaching from the pulpit has become so leftist. We don't go to church to be preached to about leftist causes. We don't mind helping people who through no fault of their own, have fallen on tough times, but the generosity ends when there is no effort on the part of people to improve themselves. Helping people who are down on their luck is one thing. Helping someone who is just looking for a handout is another.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
lakerman1 2/15/2022 10:19:42 AM (No. 1072587)
I blame John Knox.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
gop_guys 2/15/2022 10:48:11 AM (No. 1072609)
Emerald Robinson, “Culture is downstream the church; politics is downstream the culture.” As CS Lewis states in “Abolition Of Man, “Men (Pastors) have lost their chest.”
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
mossley 2/15/2022 11:13:22 AM (No. 1072633)
Try this link for a non-paywall version:
http://tlt.buzz/scores-of-congregations-quit-united-methodist-church-over-gay-clergy-same-sex-marriage/
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
WinterParker 2/15/2022 12:17:38 PM (No. 1072680)
"Of what use is religion if it mimics the worst of non-religious society?" ~Dennis Prager
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
anniebc 2/15/2022 1:11:09 PM (No. 1072754)
Even PCA is being impacted by leftist hell.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Harlowe 2/15/2022 1:41:43 PM (No. 1072774)
#18~ Thank you for considering the Lutheran denomination as a possible church of preference. Insofar as perceiving the Lutheran liturgy being “patterned more along the Catholic faith,” it is; however, Martin Luther “took what he had inherited, kept as much as possible, and removed all those elements that he found contrary to the gospel, or that distracted people from the main message. ... It is not now nor has been our intention to abolish the liturgical service of God completely, but rather to purify the one that is now in use from the wretched accretions which corrupt it and to point out an evangelical use. ... Falsely are our churches accused of abolishing the Mass; for the Mass is retained among us, and celebrated with the highest reverence. ... As far as possible, we should observe the same rites and ceremonies, just as all Christians have the same baptism and the same sacrament and no one has received a special one of his own from God. ... Luther saw consistency in worship forms to be especially useful for training the uneducated and the young.” Essentially, Martin Luther believed the sermon was the central focus of a worship service—the reason the congregation gathered to hear the preaching of God’s Word.
It is sincerely hoped that people of faith currently struggling with conflicting elements of Scripture in their current denominations will give conservative Lutheran churches an opportunity to provide them with beliefs and practices committed to Lutheran theology based solely on the Scriptures of God. From personal experience, as a senior citizen, having made the decision to leave the church of baptism (absorbed into the ELCA), once a month, for one year, visited among three LCMS churches in the area to get a sense of the pastor and congregation. The LCMS church chosen was based on the pastor’s sermon, persona, and warmth of the congregation. The only regret is not having had the fortitude to find this church decades earlier. There has been a transition of pastors through the years due to other calls or retirements, but the foundation of the Lutheran faith, Scripture, the inerrant Word of God, remains preserved.
As an aside, consider the secular world’s effort to deprive people of faith to have religious freedom evidenced in the egregious trial of Finnish MP Päivi Räsänen and Lutheran Bishop Juhana Pohjola “being accused of engaging in ‘hate speech’ for publicly voicing their faith-based beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics, including in a tweet. A ruling on their case is expected in March.” As stated by Bishop Pohjola, “the entire bedrock on which we Christians stand” is Scripture.
https://ilc-online.org/2022/02/14/closing-statements-heard-in-trial-against-finnish-bishop-and-mp/
Closing statements heard in trial against Finnish Bishop and MP - 14 February 2022 - by Mathew Block
https://adfinternational.org/court-out-closing-arguments-presented-in-finnish-bible-tweet-trial/
COURT OUT: Closing arguments presented in Finnish Bible-tweet trial – February 14, 2022
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