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Posted By: Ribicon, 5/20/2022 11:02:07 AM

The Biden administration is making $500 million available to school districts to transition the nation’s gas-guzzling diesel school bus fleets to zero-emission electric busses. The bucket of money is part of a broader tranche of $5 billion set aside in last year’s infrastructure spending for low and zero-emission school buses over the next five years.(Snip)They will highlight how the switch to electric buses will not only significantly slash greenhouse gas emissions, but how it will also cut down on public health risks that diesel vehicles pose to children, such as causing asthma.

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The immediate solution to addressing asthma in kids would be remove Dubya's ethanol contaminant from our gasoline, except Big Corn is so generous with its "campaign contributions." Meanwhile, not a single Republican has moved to shut down Richard Nixon's EPA, which as always is used to help dismantle the nation through cripplingly costly mandates and regulations that achieve nothing of value, and often are harmful (ethanol, for one).

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Reply 1 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 5/20/2022 11:07:05 AM (No. 1160895)
When all you do is print money, there's free money for everyone!
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Reply 2 - Posted by: padiva 5/20/2022 11:13:48 AM (No. 1160901)
What could possible go wrong? Electrical blackouts? Brownouts? Destruction of the power grids? Kammie- just aim for solar-powered buses.....in Alaska. /s
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Reply 3 - Posted by: udanja99 5/20/2022 11:15:18 AM (No. 1160905)
California’s grid is already a disaster. I guess that kids there will just have to walk to school.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Rich323 5/20/2022 11:15:18 AM (No. 1160906)
Today a leading California engineer determined they don’t have enough electricity to charge all the EVs and these clowns want to add even more!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici 5/20/2022 11:16:51 AM (No. 1160910)
As of February of this year, there were school districts committed to having a total of 1800 electric school buses. As I understand the article (which was in a journal advocating for EVs) that means for the entire country 1800 electric school buses had been ordered, or were already in use. That is out of a total of half a million school buses in use by schools. Even if the schools all decided tomorrow to order electric school buses to replace all of their other buses, how long would it take to BUILD close to 500,000 electric school buses?
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Rich323 5/20/2022 11:17:56 AM (No. 1160911)
Why all the busses with the growing rate of home schooling. Are they planning to keep schools open now and not locked down?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: stablemoney 5/20/2022 11:19:06 AM (No. 1160913)
I don't think I would want my kid riding around in a firebomb.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: coyote 5/20/2022 11:24:27 AM (No. 1160918)
That's quite a waste of assets already in place. I guess Afghanistan cast the die.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: zephyrgirl 5/20/2022 11:31:02 AM (No. 1160925)
I shudder to think that an electric school bus could burst into flames like the one in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
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Reply 10 - Posted by: sunshinehorses 5/20/2022 11:33:30 AM (No. 1160930)
How about taking school buses to sports events? Here in Iowa that can be a long haul to and from. Doubt that the buses will have enough charge to make the trip. Also with the number oh hours some buses run just to pick up and drop off kids will be a challenge for electric buses. Also with our winters, can they provide enough heat to keep the kids from freezing?? How about if there was an accident?? Since those electric batteries have the propensity to blow up, how safe is that for our kids??
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Pook60 5/20/2022 11:36:25 AM (No. 1160934)
I don't think diesel buses guzzle gas at all. Don't send Ramsey Touchberry to fill up your diesel Land Rover or you'll be walking.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: jimkata 5/20/2022 11:44:03 AM (No. 1160943)
We saw in Virginia this year with a little snow a traffic jam where all the Telsa's ran out of electricity and need to be towed by diesel tow trucks.Imagine a bus load of children and the bus is low on 'juice' , can't go up a hill, can't make it through a traffic jam, too hot, too cold so the battery doesn't work effectively. Hoe will this work? I say if the world ran on batteries, the environmentalist would be telling us oil was a savior to eliminate the lithium poisoning of open pit mines and resolve the pollution associated with battery disposal. Oil would solve the killing of birds by wind turbines and the planet would begin to heal. They would be saying all this.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Rumblehog 5/20/2022 11:48:04 AM (No. 1160949)
Has the idiot VP seen the French electric bus situation lately? They've been caught on video spontaneously catching fire and burning to a pile of molten metal. France has had to remove them from service after TWO met such a fate within weeks. Imagine your child on a school bus that's a ticking firebomb from which there is no escape. Sheer lunacy.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Ditto1958 5/20/2022 11:52:48 AM (No. 1160956)
School buses are actually remarkably efficient. I drive 50-60 kids to school and home every day. My bus uses 25 gallons of diesel a week to do that. I suspect that the cars owned by each of my students’s households use at least 25 gallons a week.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Pearson365 5/20/2022 11:56:34 AM (No. 1160962)
This wasteful use of the $500 million the Biden Admin has to borrow isn’t about the buses, it’s about which Democrats own shares in the companies which will be awarded the contracts, from the charging stations and batteries to the incredibly expensive buses. And how much the owners of these various manufacturers give to Biden and the DNC in order to secure the contracts. Safe bet that within 2 years of delivering the buses that most if not all will be sitting in forgotten parking lots due to a lack of reliability and/or fire risk. Also, why is asthma always cited as an issue when the criminal class in our urban centers are always able to outrun the police?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: GoodDeal 5/20/2022 12:09:15 PM (No. 1160984)
Since California is under an EV problem in that the state's electrical generating capacity is way less than growing demand and that there will be brownouts and blackouts and EVs will have a problem charging, what's going to happen to all of those electric busses and electric cars and electric big rigs they want as well as ending gas-fueled vehicle sales here in the next few years? Ohhh yeah... more windmill farms and solar panels. That's right I forgot. Never mind. This isn't the energy catastrophe you are looking for, nothing here move along. The democrats got this and it's all under control. Nothing to fear.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Proud Texan 5/20/2022 12:17:58 PM (No. 1160995)
#12 is Spot on!!!
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Reply 18 - Posted by: DVC 5/20/2022 12:18:11 PM (No. 1160996)
Diesel engines are THE most efficient kinds of internal combustion engines, due to their very high compression ratio which increases thermal efficiency. This is the reason that all long haul semi-trucks have been turbo-diesels for a long time. Adding a turbo to a gasoline engine is not so useful, the maximum compression ratio is limited by the detonation of the gasoline, which destroys the engine, so not a lot of turbo boosting is possible. OTOH, a properly designed heavy duty diesel absolutely revels in higher and higher compression ratios, and the turbocharger takes wasted energy from the exhaust stream and uses it to compress the incoming air even more, raising the effective compression ratio and substantially increasing the already high efficiency. I don't think most school buses use turbo-diesels, the ones I was familiar with were straight diesels. Either way they are either efficient or VERY efficient depending on design. And they move a LOT of kids very efficiently, too. One driver and 40-60 kids, is also efficient of labor. Electric vehicles are very expensive, have limited range and are prone to fires which are essentially impossible to extinguish. VERY bad ideas.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: chance_232 5/20/2022 12:23:11 PM (No. 1161002)
With charging stations, thats maybe 250 busses
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Reply 20 - Posted by: snowoutlaw 5/20/2022 12:27:08 PM (No. 1161004)
Diesel is one of the safest fuels. Ever try to get diesel to burn? It won't in most conditions. I fear for all the pain and death EV busses will bring.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: mc squared 5/20/2022 12:48:25 PM (No. 1161023)
More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation. The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city's transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems (Washington free Beacon)
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Reply 22 - Posted by: kono 5/20/2022 1:30:34 PM (No. 1161048)
The Enviro-Socialists are always about "sustainability", except when giving away other people's money. This promotion is the latest example. Laying an endless list of government giveaways on the back of a limited tax base is kind of like mandating electric vehicles without expanding the power-generating capacity.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: nordlander 5/20/2022 2:09:46 PM (No. 1161076)
"The administration said that in addition to the health benefits, low- or zero-emission fleets will save school districts money on operating costs and can transmit stored electricity back to the grid to support communities during power outages." Only after they increase the risk of outages by increasing the load on the grid while charging. Brilliant.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: joew9 5/20/2022 2:19:06 PM (No. 1161087)
Electric vehicles aren't at the maturity to drive kids around in these experimental vehicles. If they really want to go electric I suggest re-installing trolley lines. No batteries to go dead and strand the kids. No batteries to go bad and have to dispose of as hazardous material.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: FunOne 5/20/2022 2:23:59 PM (No. 1161092)
The liberals are against nuclear energy and against coal-fired energy. They shut both of these energy generators down. These people really do think that electric comes from the outlet.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: hershey 5/20/2022 3:15:37 PM (No. 1161138)
I'll buy in when Kamaladingdong ditches her Secret Service Black limos for a Prius...cackle cackle cackle....
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Strike3 5/20/2022 5:00:31 PM (No. 1161213)
This should increase the average price per student to educate Americas snowflakes to over $50 grand per kid.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Strike3 5/20/2022 5:03:34 PM (No. 1161218)
"Hoe will this work?" Freudian slip, #12?
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Reply 29 - Posted by: hoosierblue 5/21/2022 8:05:24 AM (No. 1161694)
Besides all the other reasons stated, there has been many reports lately that many of these electric buses have caught on fire and burst into a flaming mass just about like an explosion.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: ROLFNader 5/21/2022 9:39:38 AM (No. 1161776)
....and at night they will all be recharged in a windowless building with a diesel generator.
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