EV Owners Suddenly Realize They’re Being Conned

To person who thinks his super chargers block his EV rentals from powering beyond 80%. No. Super chargers don't do that. Your car is set to 80% but can be changed with a slider on the control screen. Stop telling everyone how your rentals won't charge over 80. Learn how the car works.

But Tesla isn’t selling economy, efficiency and clean air. Tesla is selling Moral Superiority and Tesla owners score a perfect 100% on the HTT (Holier-Than-Thou) Scale.

Well, that's unsettling for EV sellers. Tesla has been the one bright spot in EV sales. Pretty much swamping everyone else. But, if their sales numbers are based on fraud, that would mean EV potential is even worse than indicated...

Had a couple EV rentals. They are fun to drive, but the range and charging times negate all that.

I've heard tell of these "magic dog" EV models that poster #1 references (a magic dog being one who always obeys, does every trick, and even lets himself out to do his business). IOW, one that might exist, but no one else owns one. I guess it would be tough to admit that you've been conned. While there may be some folks out there who truly enjoy the EV experience, let's not pretend that they are something they are not. They aren't economical, they aren't carbon neutral, and they have pitfalls that you must avoid - in short, they're not fit for the purpose for which they're sold. They're golf carts on steroids. I do hear anecdotal reports that some models are wicked fast, however. In any case, you do you. I don't plan to ever buy one until forced to. greyseal

5, I have no idea what this magic dog thing is. Moving on to my actual comments: Before I got my model 3, I researched EVs and the rest of the car market. I couldn't get the Audi RS5 I wanted and the other cars got scratched off for various reasons. My mileage is exactly what the screen says. I drive in Florida in 100 degree heat with AC on full and get exactly what it says. I have measured and tested this. I don't care about carbon or any of that other nonsense. I have 4+ years of every day experience owning and driving a model 3, yet you, who has never sat in one, says I've been conned. It was cheaper than the Audi. Maintenance is waaaay cheaper than the Audi. It performs better than the Audi. Powering it is way cheaper than the Audi. It has performance and handling near the level of a real sports car, which I also own and use for long drives. How exactly did I get conned? I am super opposed to the government forcing everyone to get an EV but for short and medium range daily driving it's a fantastic vehicle. I've always driven sports or muscle cars until I got the Tesla and now own both so I have some idea of what I'm talking about. I'm a car guy. I buy cars based on their value not based on politics.

Some realize it but deny it. There is a reason that EVs are rarely seen on the highways across the US and it's because the population can only produce so many mentally deficient drivers. The urge to buy a "clean and green" vehicle is soon overcome if one can think ahead to much higher cost, lack of infrastructure, permanent inconvenience. dependence on a hostile China and the inability of our current civilization to produce enough power to keep them moving and still have heat and lights simultaneously. This whole concept is an ill-fated venture into Lalaland that will probably continue until it all hits a brick wall.

Love is blind. The truth was always out there but all the vertical signaling and feeling of moral superiority over powers any logical thought until they hit the the wall of reality. Many have not yet hit the wall.

I bought my great nephew a battery powered kiddie car - - and it can go around the block four times! Except when it's really cold or really hot. But he loves it!

Due notice of the matters stated by #5. I have never owned an EV. I would like to own one as a second car for running around the neighborhood and other in town excursions. It would be perfect. I live in Dallas where this summer the temperature has been above 100 for days on end. (Because of the water vapor creating volcano?) I have always assumed that air conditioners are power hogs, so I do wonder what effect running the ac has on EV batteries. Obviously it must have a significant effect but not a devastating one apparently according to #5. But the real point is that for the tyrants to force EVs on people who can't afford 2 cars or the Tesla models but rather the lower end vehicles which perhaps don't have the battery range, and who make their living by driving and who have tight schedules (eg, pick the kids up from school within 15 minutes of finishing work) with no time for charge ups, these policies could be a disaster. To be a success, the EVs must be mass produced and marketed, so the tyrants must use compulsion to achieve their dreams of utopia. That is the collision course the tyrants have set us on, and there are early signs of flaws in their utopic dreams. Utopia is one size fits all - their size and you WILL like the way it fits.

I am shocked!!! NOT, simple thing called Physics. why EV will never work and be effiecient. This is a HUGE reason why NO taxpayer dollars should go to developement in private sector, because the government dictates where the market should go, instead of the consumer!!

Most on this thread are not posting positive comments on EVs. Perhaps these folks are part of the vast majority of Americans who have "simple needs". They may need a vehicle large enough and reliable enough to haul theirs kids to school and various events. They may need a truck to haul a RV, boat or do actual work. They may live in states like Alaska ( as I have), where the temperature and reach -40 to-50F in winter. Even ICE vehicles are stressed if not set up properly. I have real serious doubts about EVs in that environment. The average American would probably not be described as "a car guy". We have not been fortunate enough to have "always driven sports or muscle cars". Many of us have lusted for such vehicles, in our home motor pool, but practicality and reality got in the way. But, I will give you credit. You oppose the government forcing EVs on us. I suspect many EV owners feel the average citizen deserves it.

EV's are fun, expensive toys, but they're not practical for any sort of long or demanding travel. I just got back from a week in Glacier National Park---I saw no (zero) Teslas or other EV's up there. Only a bunch of people in gas guzzlers having a great time in the mountains and not worrying about where the closest charging station was.

I think the thing that bothers most freedom-loving Americans is that EV's are just one more damn thing being forced upon us by the Tyrant Class. The majority of us didn't ask for it and we don't want it. However, I am genuinely pleased that #1 is having such a stellar experience with his Tesla Unicorn. Perhaps. I can only speculate as to his source(s) of income. I see the push for EV's as just another step on the path to eliminate personal, privately controlled vehicles. Ultimately, The Tyrant Class wants all of us Smelly Walmart Shoppers packed like cattle into government transportation on the way from our Soviet-Style concrete block housing units to our slave-labor assignments in the government factories; out of sight and out of mind. Our existence offends their ultra-refined, Ivy League sensibilities and we clutter their views. Independent, personal mobility for the filthy, writhing masses is anathema to the Tyrant Class. As #5 stated "some models are wicked fast". Not so much fast as quick. Acceleration is phenomenal (to a point). This is due entirely to the torque curve of the electric motor, which is essentially flat from zero to peak RPM. Great when trying to merge onto the freeway. But hard acceleration shortens charge life. Meh, everything is a tradeoff. Just a couple of parting shots: 1. Climate change is real. The climate has been constantly changing for millions of years and will continue to do so, with or without our input or even our presence. The Hunga-Tonga volcanic eruption last year demonstrates just one of the myriad ways the planet effects its own climate. 2. CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It is essential to all life on this planet. That is all.

Yeah, poster # 15, you knew the powers that be were full of *hit when they came out with CO2 is a pollutant. No science involved in the global warming jihad being thrust upon the world.

hahahahahahahahaha I'd throw the care out of court for stupidity.

Our freedom to travel when and where we want by a comfortable, convenient, long range car at high speed just offends their idea of how serfs are supposed to live. They want us crammed into apartment blocks, riding their dangerous, crammed 'public transportation' and leaving the roads and the countrysides free of all those nasty people getting in their way, and blocking their views. They really want us all dead, but until they can arrange that, they want us OUT OF THEIR WAY. Not driving across this beautiful country anywhere and any time we want. My vehicles have ranges between 450 and 650 miles on a tank of gas, and will refuel in any small town in the country in 10-15 minutes, including getting a drink and a bathroom break. They HATE that. I have a vacation cabin in the mountains, and can go there for a week of peace and quiet any time we choose. They hate that. We live 15 minutes outside of town, on enough land that I cannot see any neighbors from the front or back yards. I can walk down to one of our two small creeks and just enjoy the privacy and peace of my own land. They HATE that.

Please include the entire auto industry and the Gov't regulators in this action. But start with my Honda Hybrid, which touted 50 miles to the gallon. The daily driver truth was right at 37 MPG, a far cry from the advertised excitement. And the car had no mechanical issues. The same is probably true for the whole industry. Sorry for the three law-suit-filing dudes that feel maligned. They will never be happy.

Government policy is turning transportation into a luxury where it used to be a necessity. Dictatorships limit travel.

Re #19, my previous and current Accords average about 42 mpg in my daily driving, but that is a substantial amount of interstate driving at 60-65. In mostly city driving, about 37-39 mpg...the same or better for my ordinary gasoling, manual transmission 2017 Accord. I purposely bought it went I discovered that the newer Hondas all have turbochargers....and smaller engines. IMO, as a mechanic for 50+ years and a mechanical engineer, a turbo is not very useful on a gasoline engine, and is a "factory installed, guaranteed failure". At about $1,000 for a replacement part, plus installation, it is not something that I want on my vehicles. A turbo diesel is a totally different animal, with the large benefits of turbocharging a diesel outweighing the turbo cost and repair potential. But not on gas engines. And the hybrids....batteries to fail, and a large motor-generator, both which add weight and a large amount of cost. The ONLY time that a hybrid provides benefit, in ANY driving cycle is during braking, when a portion of the energy turned to heat with normal brakes can be put into a battery and recovered for use in the next acceleration. So....a hybrid for a taxi may be OK, but the more highway, constant speed driving you do, the more useless the cost and weight of the hybrid parts are.