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Los Angeles joins movement to ban new
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Posted By: NorthernDog, 6/5/2022 10:03:17 AM

As the nation looks for ways to cut fossil fuel emissions to meet ambitious carbon reduction goals, natural gas, that common household fuel staple loved by cooks, is feeling the heat. So far, 77 cities and towns and Washington state have banned or discouraged new natural gas hookups. Los Angeles became the latest to join the list when its City Council voted last week to rewrite building codes requiring new homes and buildings achieve zero-carbon emissions – effectively eliminating future natural gas lines. Climate change experts say the shift is a necessary part of the nation's energy transformation. About half of


Once again, an overbearing government wants to control your home and even how you cook your food.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: marbles 6/5/2022 10:06:08 AM (No. 1176524)
Where do there geniuses think electricity comes from? No , it's not the outlet on the wall.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: columba 6/5/2022 10:08:15 AM (No. 1176528)
My family chose natrual gas because it was cheaper.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Right Time 6/5/2022 10:16:36 AM (No. 1176535)
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Anyone who thinks this will have any effect on the global warming hoax is criminally stupid
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Reply 4 - Posted by: bighambone 6/5/2022 10:21:12 AM (No. 1176538)
What this article should tell you is that Biden and his leftist, progressive, and socialist Democrat supporters, if they can get their way, are going to jack up the price of natural gas to consumers just as they have been doing with diesel and gasoline prices. Biden will then tell the nation that if they don’t like that, they can go out and purchase all electric appliances, of course at greatly increased inflationary prices.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: ladycatnip 6/5/2022 10:21:48 AM (No. 1176540)
As a former DWP customer in So. CA, they must be thrilled to yet again gouge their customers with higher electricity bills. Gas was much cheaper. So glad to have left that state for one who's utility bills are 75% less expensive. I still remember Obama giving a speech before he was first elected that under him "utilities would skyrocket..." Well they have done just that under his third term along with $8.00 per gallon gas prices.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Rich323 6/5/2022 10:37:07 AM (No. 1176560)
Wait until the power goes out and people in wheelchairs and other disabilities are stuck 30-50 floors up with no backup power. Why? Because 95% of backup generators in hospital operating rooms, hotels, airport control towers and FAA radar systems run on what ? FOSSIL FUEL of mostly NATURAL GAS! These idiots are totally out of control. They need an Armageddon to reach them the evil of their ways.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: jimincalif 6/5/2022 10:42:19 AM (No. 1176568)
What can we do to make LA even more unlivable for normal residents? The homeless tents don’t have natural gas hookups, so what’s the problem?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Speedypetey 6/5/2022 10:45:26 AM (No. 1176576)
So the fascist Democrats won't let the electric utility cut away trees and brush, a major fire and the fascists sue which bankrupts the electric grid. The power grid has not capacity left and natural gas is not a option. The California voters are complete idiots. And I mean no offense to anyone that has been clinically diagnosed as an idiot.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2022 10:46:41 AM (No. 1176582)
The stupidest possible move from an energy efficiency standpoint. But, Dems and the climate scammed are the dumbest of the dumb.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: clayusmcret 6/5/2022 10:53:01 AM (No. 1176588)
So when the brownouts turn into blackouts, they really will be SOL.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: zephyrgirl 6/5/2022 10:55:12 AM (No. 1176590)
Great idea - put more load on an electric grid stretched to capacity. Wait until everyone fires up their electric stoves and ovens around dinner time.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: TLCary 6/5/2022 10:58:14 AM (No. 1176592)
Around 70% of electricity in LA comes from burning Natural Gas, (higher around dinner time). Burning gas to run a steam turbine has dramatic efficiency losses, using a turbine to generate electricity has efficiency losses, transmitting electricity over power lines has efficiency losses. You have to burn more natural gas to cook with an electric range than with a natural gas range. This law guarantees more natural gas will be burnt to accomplish the same thing. It's stupid on more levels that I care to count.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: red1066 6/5/2022 11:00:35 AM (No. 1176598)
Will all the idiots that believe in climate change please explain to me what they mean by climate change. Is it still about global warming, because recent research indicates the polar ice caps are growing. Plus, with warmer temps comes a longer growing season, which would produce more food. The climate on earth has changed probably thousands of times all without the help from man. Why do they think that this time, (provided it's happening at all) it's all man's fault?
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Reply 14 - Posted by: rikkitikki 6/5/2022 11:06:18 AM (No. 1176608)
Has the Earth been warming for the last 14,000 years? Certainly...just look at the glacial moraines in Ohio, for example...glaciers have been melting for the last 14,000 years. Has AGW contributed to that warming? The 14,000-year trend demonstrates there is no such thing as AGW. Still waiting for even one so-called "climate model" to history-match the temperatures of the last ice age-interglacial warming. Until one does, they have no basis in scientific fact, and are all just environmentalist wet dreams. Therefore, LA has zero scientific justification for stopping natgas hookups, shutting down coal and nuke plants, pushing electric cars, etc etc etc.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Talk2 6/5/2022 11:10:49 AM (No. 1176612)
This kind of thinking is what we have gotten from our educational system. It has turned out useful idiots by the millions and will continue to brainwash your children until parents get off their duffs and do something about it. I've conducted parents nights in school and had as few as five parents show up for my 150 students so it makes parents co-conspirators in this indoctrination effort. You might not have wanted it, but you helped it along.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby 6/5/2022 11:13:28 AM (No. 1176615)
Your out door BBQ is next. Then your house is larger than it needs to be. Bye bye swimming pool. Golf courses? Nope! Then these law makers will drive home to their country club mansion and BBQ out by the pool.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: JimBob 6/5/2022 11:19:58 AM (No. 1176618)
So these idiots are outlawing natural gas hookups, mandating all-electric buildings to 'save the planet'. Much of the electricity is generated by natural gas. If my memory serves me correctly, the theoretical maximum cycle efficiency of the commonly-used 'Rankine cycle' (this is the cycle where water is heated to make steam to run a turbine to generate the electricity) power plant is 50%. The remaining (at least 50%) .... at least HALF of the heat produced to make the steam is LOST. This is in contrast to a modern gas furnace that is on the order of 97% efficient. The amount of fuel (natural gas, coal, recycled motor oil, wood pellets or whatever) needed to generate the electricity to heat the building is DOUBLE. Typical power-plant thermal efficiency when I studied this was on the order of 40%. So, more like 60% of the heat is LOST. This is assuming 100% efficient heating, such as electrical resistance heating. which is used to heat water, cooking, and local 'space heaters'. Regarding home heating, modern heat pumps improve on this considerably. But, my point is this: These leftist politician have NO CLUE as to what is really going on. But..... they don't care. They 'rule by slogan'.... 'No Carbon' (in MY Backyard).... they don't care HOW the Electricity is generated... THEY don't have to deal with that part of the total reality picture. Their interest is POWER..... POLITICAL POWER (not electrical power). What is Political Power? Their ability to make YOU do what THEY want, instead of YOU doing what YOU want!
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Reply 18 - Posted by: earlybird 6/5/2022 11:43:19 AM (No. 1176643)
How many restaurants use electric stoves? I’d guess zero.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2022 11:43:59 AM (No. 1176644)
Re #12. The gas stove is essentially 100% efficient. All the heat in the gas goes into heating your food, at least to a first approximation...some heat does slide past the pan. But in creating electricity, about 2/3 of the energy in the gas is lost by turning it into electricity. Then about 85% of that electricity gets to your stove. So you get to use about 1/4 of the energy in the natural gas with an electric stove, and 100% with a gas stove. Gee, which makes more sense? And, of course, the gas cooking is far cheaper.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: montwoodcliff 6/5/2022 11:49:23 AM (No. 1176654)
Switch to propane. Convert your natural gas appliances to propane and install a big tank in your backyard. And stop voting in Democrats in local and county elections! They are as bad as Democrats at the state and national levels. They will ban propane if you let them.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Daisymay 6/5/2022 11:49:40 AM (No. 1176655)
We have lived in many Homes. All were Gas heat but one. In East Tennessee we had a Heat Pump. Blew cold air all winter. We almost froze and that says something because winter in TN is pretty mild. Would never again have anything but Gas Heat!
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Reply 22 - Posted by: earlybird 6/5/2022 11:54:41 AM (No. 1176662)
In order to cook properly on an electric stove you must have two burners (elements) going - one on High or Med. High depending upon what the recipe calls for, and another burmer (eleent) on low/simmer. It is impossible to oimmediately drop the temperature on an electric stove. Now, about electric clothes dryers: haven’t had to use one for decades. They have traditionally taken much longer than gas an they tend to bake the clothes. Gas is more eficient, cleaner and cheaper. This is about new hookups. Those - like us - who have gas are OK. Anyone who hasn’t should get one ASAP whether they have gas appliances or not..
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Reply 23 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2022 12:16:29 PM (No. 1176676)
Re #21, my mother was right there with you on the "efficient heat pump" that my father, another engineer, put in on one home. I have to agree that I hate them, too. She always said, "That damned thing blows cold air all winter." Now, when I put on my engineer's hat, I can say that the air is actually heated air, at about 80-85F when the room temp is 73F and it is not "cold air". But as a real person, I'm with my Mom. When your body temp is 98.6F, which is always, 80F or 85 F moving air coming out of the heat ducts feels cool, it does not feel warm. "Warm" means 'warmer than my skin'. A combustion heating system puts out perhaps 100-110F air, and feels nice and warm. A heat pump usually puts out air about in the 80-85F temp range - and it just never feels "nice". One of the nicest feeling heating systems I ever experienced was electric slab heat in a "modern" home in the late 1950s (called "mid century modern", today). There were electrical heating wires in the concrete slab with carpet over that. And the heated floor felt just wonderful. Kick off your shoes, walk around in socks on a toasty warm floor, sit on that nice warm floor to play board games or read or watch TV. Wonderful system, and the only time I was around it was a that friend's house when I was in 4-6th grade. Never ran into another one.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Birddog 6/5/2022 12:37:33 PM (No. 1176694)
Neither Solar, nor wind, not even combined, can produce enough power to manufacture the Solar and wind power components, nor even the wire needed to carry the electricity they "Intermittently" generate, let alone the transformers needed to homogenize the variable power they produce. ADD to that the fact it is NOT storable, it is lightning in a bottle...a bottle it cannot make. I saw an article years ago where a Power Grid security team warned..."Terrorists/anarchists/Eco warriors with simple, readily procured 4th July skyrockets can shut down the entire grid, piecemeal, by tying thin copper strands to them and shooting them over high tension lines...random single location shorts can be bypassed...but multiple remote locations with multiple shorts will render the entire grids in operable until every wire strand is found and removed." Even shooting arrows or crossbow bolts with wires or even wet string can turn whole regions dark.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: DHorne123 6/5/2022 12:52:28 PM (No. 1176703)
What did socialists/dimokrats use before candles? ELECTRICITY
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Reply 26 - Posted by: DiegoDude 6/5/2022 1:02:13 PM (No. 1176712)
If Cali goes electric, guess they better re-open the Diablo Canyon and San Onofre nuke plants.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: hershey 6/5/2022 1:18:12 PM (No. 1176726)
Then they will be bitchin about the smog in the winter when people are firing up their fireplaces to keep warm...there is no satisfying a liberal mind...( I know, oxymoron)...
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Reply 28 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2022 1:23:08 PM (No. 1176731)
Re #27, all current production wood stoves have to have a catalytic converter, meet EPA regulations, tighter every year. And many cities prohibit any wood burning heating, wood stoves or fireplaces are prohibited, smoke from a chimney will draw a fine.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: hershey 6/5/2022 1:23:43 PM (No. 1176732)
And to add to #24, a small tree branch in a storm can trip the breaker on a local line...ask me how I know...
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Starboard_side 6/5/2022 1:51:55 PM (No. 1176755)
They would have FAR greater impact by mandating the installation of solar panels on every warehouse, and every mall parking lot, mall building. Far more square footage that would reduce overall footprint without demanding the small guy (home owners and apartment dwellers) from making minor changes.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: DVC 6/5/2022 1:59:06 PM (No. 1176760)
Excellent point, #14. I've read that 10,000 years ago there were two kilometer thick ice sheets in Nebraska. I was up there last month, and they are GONE. I see a trend here of 10,000 year or more of warming, and I'm pretty sure that no coal fired power plants had any hand in that for the first 9,800 years, at minimum.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Nimby 6/5/2022 2:35:15 PM (No. 1176791)
Burn pits will make way!!
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Reply 33 - Posted by: Historybuff 6/5/2022 3:47:18 PM (No. 1176825)
Obviously they no longer teach physics in California. If they do, no one passed it.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: smokincol 6/5/2022 4:44:24 PM (No. 1176862)
that's California, for you!!, always thinking of ways to punish its people, the state government or the large local governments in California have no idea of how to govern and more than that have criminal intent in everything they do, politically
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Reply 35 - Posted by: earlybird 6/5/2022 4:53:48 PM (No. 1176871)
We had slab heat in a “modern” home in Seattle in the early 60s. Required heating oil. Ungodly expensive, and useless for space heating in a home with large expanses (walls) of glass. Warm underfoot, but that’s only important if you go barefoot a lot...
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Reply 36 - Posted by: earlybird 6/5/2022 4:55:28 PM (No. 1176873)
They are not OUTLAWING natural gas. They are going for no gas hookups in new construction. Big difference. Still stupid.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 6/5/2022 6:41:54 PM (No. 1176987)
Let me tell you about the monthly royalty checks I receive for gas rights that I own in flyover country.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: Sandpiper 6/5/2022 7:27:17 PM (No. 1177058)
# 23, I remember all the schools I attended in the ‘60’s were heated with slab heating. I don’t know what powered it, but oh it was nice to have damp shoes against the floor and be heated from the ground up! All the schools I went to were built in the ‘50’s. # 27, having just moved from California I can tell you they are very strict on burning fires when it is cold. There are fines and county employees who drive around looking for smoke from chimneys. Interesting conversation I had with a contractor who sells soapstone fireplaces in southern Oregon (look them up!) He said he’s gotten a lot of business selling soapstone STOVES to wealthy people in places like Palo Alto, Los Altos and Menlo Park (the very pricey peninsula in the SF Bay Area) High efficiency wood-burning stoves, used for cooking and baking, are legal. If gas is restricted or the power is turned off, this contractor’s clients still have a way to keep warm and heat food that bureaucrats haven’t outlawed yet. The soapstone fireplaces and stoves burn so cleanly they pass all environmental regulations. Expensive though. A small fireplace for my little house in Nevada was going to cost $24,000.
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Reply 39 - Posted by: Blizzard 6/5/2022 7:40:46 PM (No. 1177065)
These people are literally insane. My wife works in the natural gas industry and people from Cali are trying to get this same thing done in Kansas City.
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Reply 40 - Posted by: MickTurn 6/5/2022 9:55:46 PM (No. 1177145)
No problem, we in Texas won't sell Gas to any Leftist Morons...they never pay their bills!
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Reply 41 - Posted by: Samsquanch 6/6/2022 5:07:21 AM (No. 1177312)
Lose our entire economy and way of life to reduce the climate by 1° Celsius they claim, these people are evil.
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Reply 42 - Posted by: Samsquanch 6/6/2022 5:09:46 AM (No. 1177313)
When they don't believe in God, they have to worship something.
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Walmart drops Chaokoh coconut milk after
PETA allegations about forced monkey labor
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Posted by Beardo 6/7/2022 12:09:48 PM Post Reply
Walmart is pulling a popular brand of coconut milk off their shelves after reports of forced monkey labor. Walmart became the latest retail giant to drop Chaokoh coconut milk from its catalog. The mega-retailer pulled the beverage due to repeated allegations of monkey slave labor in its production. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) accused the Thai coconut milk supplier of using monkey slave laborers for harvest, which it claims are kept chained and improperly cared for. "The coconut trade uses social monkeys as chained-up coconut-picking machines, depriving them of any opportunity to eat, play, or spend time with their families," said Tracy Reiman, PETA's executive vice president.
Border czar Kamala to announce $1.9 BILLION
for Central America to address the 'root
causes' of migration as potentially biggest
ever caravan heads for US
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Posted by Imright 6/7/2022 11:34:26 AM Post Reply
Kamala Harris unveiled Tuesday morning an additional $1.9 billion investment from the private sector to tackle economic issues in Central America that drive its citizens to migrate to the U.S.The vice president will tout these investments during a meeting and remarks at the Summit of the Americas in Los Angeles, California on Tuesday evening as she attempts to prove she is doing something to address 'root causes' of migration in her role as 'border czar.'The new $1.9 billion investments, including from Visa and Gap Inc., build on the $1.2 billion promised by private sector companies in December and will allow Harris to tout a massive $3.2 billion investment
America-Hating LeBron James Asks America
To Release America-Hating Brittney Griner
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Posted by MAGA Might 6/7/2022 1:53:09 PM Post Reply
The America-hating, hashish-smuggling WNBA star Brittney Griner remains locked up indefinitely in a Russian jail, but that hasn’t stopped political and celebrity weight from being thrown around to try making Vlad Putin bend a knee to wokeism and ignore the laws on his own books.
'We can't truly be leaders if we are only
living for reelection': Uvalde native
Matthew McConaughey tells Democrats and
GOP to find a middle ground on guns in
tearful speech backing 'responsible' gun
owners and paying tribute to kids killed
in massacre
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Posted by Imright 6/7/2022 5:25:58 PM Post Reply
Matthew McConaughey, a native of Uvalde, Texas, gave an emotional plea for gun reform from the White House on Tuesday, tearing up as he talked about the victims of the massacre in his hometown and called on lawmakers to think about their moral obligations instead of re-election.'We got to get some real courage and honor our mortal obligations instead of our party affiliations and enough with the counterpunching,' he said. 'We can't truly be leaders if we're only live in for reelection.'He continued: 'We've got to look in the mirror, lead with humility and acknowledge the values that are inherent to but also above politics.
CNN’s Enten: Polling Shows GOP Will
Take Huge House Majority --Best Position
in over 80 Years
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Posted by Dreadnought 6/7/2022 12:01:10 AM Post Reply
CNN’s senior data reporter Harry Enten said Monday on “The Lead” that Republicans will win a massive majority in the U.S. House of Representatives in the November midterm elections. Anchor Jake Tapper said, “If you’re a Republican running for re-election or trying to unseat a Democrat, things are looking pretty good, right?” Enten said, “I would say they’re looking very good from the historical context. Basically, I took the best Republican positions on the generic congressional ballot at this point in midterm cycles since 1938 — that generic ballot basically is, ‘Would you vote for the generic Republican or generic Democrat in your district?’ And guess what, since 1938,
DHS Releases Bulletin Citing Concerns
of ‘Heightened Threats,’ And Violent
Months Ahead With Supreme Court Ruling
And Midterms Approaching
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Posted by Imright 6/7/2022 12:03:22 PM Post Reply
On Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued a bulletin warning of a “heightened threat environment” over the next several months, stating they will monitor the risk of domestic terrorism within the U.S. to promote acts of violence. “The United States remains in a heightened threat environment, as noted in the previous Bulletin, and several recent attacks have highlighted the dynamic and complex nature of the threat environment,” DHS said in the bulletin from the National Terrorism Advisory System (NTAS).
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