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A Mexican cave disgorged a massive pre-Columbian
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Posted By: DVC, 5/2/2022 5:20:16 PM

One of the left's useful narratives is that Native Americans lived in idyllic, pastoral harmony, only to have this paradise brutally destroyed by the invading Europeans and their Christian God. There's some truth (some Native American tribes were peaceful and some Europeans brutal), but that's not important for the left. Angelic indigenous people and evil Whites are the core story for them. That's why it's intriguing to learn about the fate of 150 people whose skeletons were found in a cave in Mexico. The skeletons were actually found a decade ago. Now, though, Guatemala's Institute of Anthropology and History has determined when and how these people died.


Ms. Widburg makes excellent points, as usual. Ancient peoples were extremely violent, in general. Read the history of the Zulus, hideously vicious killers. The fairy tale that the peaceful, harmless Indians were attacked viciously by the evil Europeans is mostly not true.
One tribe taking the hunting grounds of another was the standard fare of the time, and we were just another tribe, doing pretty much the same thing that all the rest had been and were doing. Read about the Blackfeet. We were a good bit less viciously, most of the time, too. But not always.
Stone age cultures that come up against modernity always lose out. Adapt or die.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: qr4j 5/2/2022 5:44:04 PM (No. 1144617)
I am thankful to the OP for providing this article link. It is a great read. Yes, European explorers and settlers did damage to indigenous people. There's no excuse for that. But indigenous people did damage to others as well, including each other. We are all sinners in need of God's mercy. Submitting to the rule of King Jesus, according to Christianity, is not about conquering others through violence but rather about winning and serving them with divine love. "For not with swords loud clashing, nor roll of stirring drums; in deeds of love and mercy, the heavenly kingdom comes."
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Birddog 5/2/2022 6:09:19 PM (No. 1144627)
As a follow up to his gritty, brutal, historically correct(not politically correct) film "The passion of Christ", Mel Gibson did the same treatment of the Mayan "American" culture/religion...the film ends with the Spanish european, 1st arrival.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: davew 5/2/2022 6:13:19 PM (No. 1144631)
Most of the public idealization and ignorance of pre-Columbian peoples in North and South America can be traced to the wildly popular and largely plagiarized "People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. Zinn was a fraud and a crackpot whose family life and political upbringing turned him into a bitter Marxist true believer. His book was a classic read during the 60s and 70s and poisoned the minds of countless skulls-full-of-mush. The reality of early First Peoples uncovered by actual scientific anthropologists is far more interesting and nuanced than the "white man bad" cliches that Zinn lifted from anti-Columbus and anti-Catholic polemists of the 16th through 20th centuries.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: bpl40 5/2/2022 6:40:52 PM (No. 1144653)
There was a great debate in post independence Tanzania whether modern European culture or the ancient pastoral Masai culture was more 'superior'. Dr. Julius Nyerere the President is reported to have said " I don't know about culture, but I do know the difference between clean water and dirty water".
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Reply 5 - Posted by: TLCary 5/2/2022 7:05:44 PM (No. 1144671)
As far as we can tell the entire Clovis population of migrants to North America were slaughtered and replaced by the Folsom (modern) American Indians. There were native mustangs roaming North America, until these invaders from Siberia killed every last one, long before Europeans showed up with more horses and taught them how to ride. My ancestry is both Native and European. I'm an American and wasn't around at the time. I don't bear the sins of my fathers anymore than I take credit for their achievements. FTA: "Making this point is not the same as saying Europeans are superior and indigenous people inferior." Ok, the mass-murdering CANNIBALS were an INFERIOR culture. Sue me. PS: Look up the Ket People of Siberia.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 5/2/2022 7:06:28 PM (No. 1144673)
Re #4, the biggest difference likely being the number of children who died in their first 10 years with clean water and dirty water. a Civil War era wag once put it...."The coffee tastes so much better when we dig the latrines downstream of where the cooks get their water."
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Imright 5/2/2022 7:12:41 PM (No. 1144674)
Thanks for posting...Very Interesting read. Here is the very last sentence of the article: "~~As the skeletons in that cave show, the real picture is infinitely more complex and interesting.'~~
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Reply 8 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 5/2/2022 7:44:43 PM (No. 1144700)
Have always wondered how many tribes in the Americas were wiped out by other tribes long before Europeans came on the scene. Bet there were many. Ever see some of the artwork from Central and South American civilizations? Lots of skulls. These people had a fascination with death. Most likely because death was all around them. These people did not live to ripe old age.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rumblehog 5/2/2022 8:33:39 PM (No. 1144730)
It could have been a giant counting device like an Abacus... but using human skulls. What better way to get the right result but to put many minds to work on the problem? s/o
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