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Baldwin killing Halyna Hutchins was a
tragedy, but no accident.

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Posted By: earlybird, 10/25/2021 11:25:44 AM

As I read the accounts of Alec Baldwin shooting and killing Halyna Hutchins on a movie set, everyone seems to sidestep the real issue. What was Baldwin doing playing a gunslinger in a movie? He hates guns. He also is too temperamental and unstable to be producing anything. Both are factors in his killing Halyna Hutchins. The media has been too kind to him by ignoring the hypocrisy of a man who publicly condemns guns trying to make a buck off playing a gunslinger in a movie. His tweets are out there. March 5, 2018, he tweeted, "I see that Dana Loesch wants to 'take back the truth.' And she doesn’t care


Baldwin had been out there for years, slamming anyone who stood up for the Second Amendment… To say that he is unstable and a hypocrite is to understate. But now he’s a killer.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Jethro bo 10/25/2021 11:29:51 AM (No. 956873)
One should acknowledge that Baldwin actually showed proficiency with his weapon. Just like a sniper, one shot, one kill.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Luandir 10/25/2021 11:37:43 AM (No. 956879)
There is no way any live ammunition should have been on that set. Something here stinks to high heaven.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: dst4life 10/25/2021 11:44:14 AM (No. 956882)
Pride cometh before a fall.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Sandbar 10/25/2021 11:45:07 AM (No. 956883)
Guns do not accidentally discharge, someone has to pull the trigger. A trigger can be accidentally pulled, but Baldwin pulled this one intentionally. Always check the chamber even if you watched the person handling it b4 you check it. Never point a gun at someone, Never. Tragedy, yes-- accident, No! If I, even as a grown person, had pointed a gun at another person, my Dad would still be kicking my ass and he's been gone for years.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DW626 10/25/2021 11:45:12 AM (No. 956884)
Guns don’t kill people, Alex Baldwin kills people. Oops should’ve read Alec. There’s a mistake that no one was killed over.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: harleynyc 10/25/2021 11:48:49 AM (No. 956888)
Maybe he knew the movie was in crapper and so he decided to take it out on the directors.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: DVC 10/25/2021 12:09:40 PM (No. 956912)
#2, assuming facts not in evidence. We do not know, yet that it was 'live ammo'. That absolutely could be the case, but a foreign object lodged in the barrel can be propelled by a blank much like a bullet from a live cartridge. Which happened is still unknown. A smaller caliber blank could have fallen through and lodged in the barrel in a particular set of human errors, and requires no live ammo to have been on set. My first boss after college advised, "If an event can be explained by incompetence, or malfeasance, I have discovered that incompetence is the actual cause in the overwhelming number of cases, rather than actual bad intent." I think he was right. Easily 50 incompetents for every really bad person. If an incompetent dropped a .32-20 caliber blank into a .38-40 caliber Colt single action army revolver, it is quite undersized and could have fallen through the cylinder and it's rim lodged in the barrel forcing cone. A blank fired behind it would now be pushing a metal projectile. Pure speculation, but technically possible. Or a fool or bad person could have loaded a live cartridge....but none of those should have been available anywhere on most sets. Eventually, we'll know. Medical treatment of the wounded should recover fragments of the projectile....lead or brass, or something else?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Kumoan 10/25/2021 12:13:15 PM (No. 956915)
As a Ukranian, the victim probably was no lover of communism, enough to justify murder in Baldwin's twisted mind?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Kate318 10/25/2021 12:14:55 PM (No. 956916)
Until the actual story comes out, if it ever does, these opinion articles are meaningless.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: SkeezerMcGee 10/25/2021 12:27:50 PM (No. 956935)
Baldwin should have inspected the pistol as soon as it was handed to him. Others may have been negligent, but Baldwin pointed the pistol at a perspn and pulled the trigger. He's responsible for the death and the injury. He has no respect for firearms. He treats them as if they are toys.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: bighambone 10/25/2021 12:47:06 PM (No. 956961)
That movie “Rust” being produced by Baldwin is supposedly about the late 1800’s old West. During that time the basic handgun used in the old West was the Colt revolver, so you have to believe that the “prop” handgun used in the movie was also a modern Colt revolver that resembled the old West era Colt revolvers or maybe a modern replica revolver that I think are manufactured by Ruger. Colt revolvers of that period are known to have been single action handguns. That means that a squeeze on the trigger will only fire the revolver if the revolver hammer has been manually pulled back and locked first. So for Baldwin to actually fire such a revolver he first would have first had to pull back and lock the revolver hammer, putting the revolver in firing mode. Only then could a shooter squeeze the trigger and cause the revolver to fire one shot or round, to shoot another shot or round the revolver hammer would first have to be manually pulled back and locked again. With all that, it simply is not credible to say that the revolver was fired accidentally. It is obvious that the actor holding the revolver had to pull back and lock the the revolver hammer, and then squeeze the trigger causing the revolver to fire when it was aimed at the two people who were shot, one killed and one wounded. That was not caused by an accident but by pure negligence.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: bad-hair 10/25/2021 12:52:44 PM (No. 956968)
Alec as much as I dislike him was handed a gun which he had every reasonable expectation was harmless. I feel sorry for the guy Ii don't like. God bless you Alec in what is no doubt a time of trouble and MY prayers are with you.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: DVC 10/25/2021 2:07:11 PM (No. 957054)
I find your efforts to get around the stupid site nanny software by using "lock", an incorrect term for the act of pulling the hammer back until it stays fully back, which is correctly call "cocking". But if you try to use the correct word....the stupid site nanny software blocks your post. We'll see if the "ing" added on the end is enough change to be permitted by the brainless software.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Come And Take It 10/25/2021 2:14:32 PM (No. 957061)
He had no reasonable expectation the gun was harmless, #12. All guns are always considered to be loaded regardless of actual status. It was his responsibility to ensure the gun was safe, no matter what some other clown that also didn't follow gun safety rules told him. Reports this morning say he was practicing his 'cross-draw technique' when the gun 'went off' (more nonsense). He crossed another human being with the muzzle of a loaded weapon with his finger on the trigger, no less. He killed her. Assumptions kill, as Baldwin found out. There is no room for deviation from gun safety. The rules are inviolable, and must be observed every single time. One mistake can be fatal, and there were a boatload of them here.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Birddog 10/25/2021 2:37:03 PM (No. 957081)
Latest from people on the crew...cast and crew were allowed to "check out" firearms from the cache to play with, target shoot. That particular gun had been recently checked out by someone and apparently returned still loaded(at least partially). Who and when it was checked out has not been divulged. Since it was the designated weapon for the "Star", Baldwin(one of three identical) assumes HE was the one practicing with it. Baldwin had already drawn, cocked and dry fired it at least once immediately prior to the "surprise BANG!" while rehearsing/practicing for the actual filmed Take...The people shot were around the camera/monitor setting up the future take... during the actual Take they would have been at a remote monitor, well away from the actor/weapon/danger. Several media people have made mention that the Armorer was previously nervous about "loading blanks" on a previous Nic Cage film..."The Old Way". It may well be that her nervousness was related to Cap/Ball blanks, rather than cartridge blanks. The latter are sommat simple,premade, pre packaged... the former more complicated because unless sealed properly stray powder can ignite other chambers in the cylinder, and each chamber a separate/hand done load..though separate cylinders can be preloaded then exchanged into the revolver. It would be dependent upon the timeline of the film which type of revolver would be in use. Prior to around 1873 there were few cartridge revolvers in common use.(Smith had the patent, hence colt could not make them)
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Bur Oak 10/25/2021 3:50:41 PM (No. 957134)
I've seen it written that Alec Baldwin did not know the that the gun was loaded. That may be true but the real error that is his, is that he did not know the gun was unloaded.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: bigfatslob 10/25/2021 4:26:43 PM (No. 957179)
There's one thing that stands out the movie was set in the 1880s. The handgun had to be a single action revolver of some period brand like a Colt, Remington or others. A common thing in all of them is there is no safety mechanism or pull the trigger only to fire it. There is a conscious effort that has to be made to pull the hammer back to fire the handgun (single action). If Baldwin picked up the gun he could not have fire it just by pointing and pulling the trigger he had to pull the hammer back. Why do the whole cycle to 'just play around' oops I didn't mean it doesn't fly. I don't by the blank stuck in the barrel being touted at a possibility. I will apologize to anyone who believes this theory if it is proven. I worked on one western movie set making blank ammunition before and a blank with sufficient charge in is is loud but would have to be toughing the person to do harm and not death. In this case the projectile passed through one person with enough velocity to hit and harm another one. Something is really questionable and Baldwin shouldn't be released without sufficient investigation by New Mexico to use a famous politician term 'somebody did something". F Alec Baldwin
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Reply 18 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 10/25/2021 4:37:35 PM (No. 957187)
Rule 1 All guns are loaded all of the time until I check it myself! #2 Don’t ever point a firearm at anything you aren’t willing to destroy. #3 Finger OFF the trigger until target is sighted in! Baldwin committed a crime! Period! Manslaughter if it were me minimum!
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Omen55 10/25/2021 4:43:49 PM (No. 957191)
If Alec mom had got an abortion Hutchins would be alive.😢
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Reply 20 - Posted by: MickTurn 10/25/2021 6:46:03 PM (No. 957302)
If he ever comes out of this without going to prison for manslaughter, he's gonna have to use Barbi Dolls for guns in his future flicks!
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Reply 21 - Posted by: bighambone 10/26/2021 5:31:58 PM (No. 958179)
Regarding post #11 and #13. From what the media is reporting the revolver involved was a Colt Pacemaker single action hand gun. It is doubtful that the prop handgun was an original that was manufactured in the 1880 period of time that the movie depicts, but one made recently by Colt. I tried to point out that when such a single action revolver is drawn from its holster it first must be made ready to fire by cocking the hammer usually with the shooter’s thumb, that in effect locks the hammer in position so that when the trigger is squeezed that the hammer will move forward under spring pressure, striking the firing pin that then moves forward in turn striking the cartridge primer which ignites the explosive powder contained in the cartridge, causing an explosive over pressure that in turn pushes the bullet contained at the front end of the cartridge through the barrel at high speed and down range until it either strikes the intended target or runs out of energy. That’s the way so-called single action revolvers function and requires the shooter to accomplish the cocking step that is different from the way that double action revolvers operate in that a double action revolver will fire as the result of the shooter just squeezing the trigger. I’m sorry that poster #13 got upset but this website will not allow the present tense of the word “cocked” to appear in postings so I had to improvise. Bottom line the shooter using that single action revolver had to take three actions to fire the revolver, besides that two actions noted above, the third having been to aim the revolver at the female who was killed. This incident was not an accident but was the result of gross negligence.
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