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Jeffrey Epstein and trust in the government

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Posted By: DW626, 5/20/2025 8:15:17 PM

Ah, Jeffrey Epstein. We finally have an official statement from our own side, and it contradicts every last thing our own side has believed now for years. Let’s all approach this analytically. I would be willing to bet that no one reading this right now was there in that jail cell. No one reading right now was on the island, on the plane, or anywhere else relevant to the case. We have secondhand knowledge at best. It is easy to believe a conspiracy theory. It is hard to admit it if you are wrong. Do I think serious crimes were committed? Yes.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: jasonB 5/20/2025 8:30:18 PM (No. 1953249)
Until I see ONE consequential arrest (and lots to follow) I am just going with Ka$h, Bjjonino, Blondie and Trump are Idiots/Corrupt. There is NO 5D Chess unless it is demonstrably shown. Heard this cope his entire first term. Still waiting for them to "Lock her up!" Oh that's right, he called us losers for believing that.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Californian 5/20/2025 8:55:59 PM (No. 1953258)
Hi #1, thanks for all that hard hitting, fact filled useful information about Trump. After a life time of conservatism you have made me completely change my mind about everything! Wow! Just like that in a single fact free post because that's how dumb we are on the right. Visiting us from where? MSN? Vox? CNN? Yahoo message boards? Bluesky? You got plenty of lefty echo chambers to rant in. Have fun in those.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: stablemoney 5/20/2025 9:12:04 PM (No. 1953269)
Patel and Bongino do not have experience running the FBI. Those that do have gotten to them and advised them to follow "the process", which is to silo all information, promise that it is in process (which is never finished), and justify it as getting it right (DC's current favorite phrase), and protecting victims. The FBI "process" is why we elected Trump to appoint someone that didn't follow the same "process" as Christopher Wray. Patel and Bongino should stop and think about the motives of those in the FBI advising them to follow the "process". There has been a great amount of criminal activity at the FBI, and it needs to cleaned out, not moved to a new HQ's building.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: chumley 5/20/2025 9:34:44 PM (No. 1953291)
The only certainty is that we will never get the truth, at least not from the government. Too many important people are guilty. Probably donors.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: jasonB 5/20/2025 10:15:52 PM (No. 1953307)
Okay #2 I'll bite. Tell me EXACTLY what I posted that was FACTUALLY incorrect. If you are the conservative you claim to be, how can you square ANY of Trump's fiscal policies? I'm all ears on how continuing Biden's spending levels is just so MAGA. I don't worship politicians. When any one breaks enough promises, I'm DONE. Trump and MAGA Mike Johnson come in with promises of balancing the budget. Now the two are blithering about trillions more of debt. PER YEAR. Then Trump has the gall to go after the ONE guy that call out the insane spending. And seriously, the infantile argument style of calling anyone that disagrees with your Messiah a liberal, tells me I struck a chord of truth. If there was a way to go back in to a commenter's history here, I've been popping on here for a 15 years I'd guess. You know what never changed? My position on the government overspending, over-reaching and generally wanting them out of mine and your life. So anyway, by MAGA standards I am now a Liberal because I oppose financing Obamacare, the Green New Deal, USAID etc. When someone says that they're going to shutter the FBI, PBS, the DOE but then demands to have them all funded and I want to hold them to their word, that also makes me a Lib? Man, MAGA is one H3ll of a Drug.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: walcb 5/20/2025 10:39:10 PM (No. 1953315)
Iowa Dad is that you?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: john56 5/20/2025 11:46:24 PM (No. 1953329)
Folks, I expect there is a lot of damning information in the "Epstein Files." But if you're looking for a document that says, here's who set him up, how he got his loot, and who helped him in the government, I think you're going to be seriously disappointed. I expect the files will raise more questions than they answer. Ditto for the JFK, RFK, UFO, MLK and 9-11 files.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/21/2025 1:40:13 AM (No. 1953339)
#5 - "If there was a way to go back in to a commenter's history here, I've been popping on here for a 15 years I'd guess." I'm surprised a long time poster, such as yourself, is not aware of Ldot's "search" function in the masthead. I took up your challenge and perused your 645 posts since March 16, 2019. You are quite right, you have been consistent in your contrariness and negativity.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: JoElla Bee 5/21/2025 3:35:38 AM (No. 1953349)
FTA: we have two choices: Believe that Epstein killed himself. Believe that Epstein did not kill himself. That is it. Those are our choices. Here are the other choices in this matter: Believe that the current administration is being honest. Believe that the current administration is not being honest. That is also it. I trust PDJT. He has never given reason not to trust his love of the American Ideal and his efforts to MAGA. No one has ever worked harder toward accomplishing that goal. I trust most of the members of this administration to honestly and diligently work toward accomplishing the promises PDJT made to the voters. I may not trust each one of them as confidently as he does, but he knows them while I don’t. I pray his trust is justified, and that they will do an honest job for him, his voters, and our country. They are fighting against very determined foes, and years of damage - some still ongoing. May God bless good to prevail, and to Him be the glory.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: PostAway 5/21/2025 3:55:55 AM (No. 1953350)
After the interest, disgust and attendant suspicion of malevolent foreign or domestic intelligence involvement in the murky Epstein case, a case which involves American leadership at the highest levels, it is important that the citizenry have conclusions explained carefully and publicly. Off-topic, almost throwaway comments by Patel and Bongino on a cable news business show that Epstein committed suicide, as if no further explanation is warranted, is insufficient. We need a thorough explanation of why Bongino and Patel believe what they do to reassure a sorely abused public that we finally have honest governance with the Trump administration. I don’t suspect that B&P are themselves untrustworthy. If they are misleading the public I think it would be in the interest of a greater good such as quietly laying a case against unsuspecting felons, but the distrust of the public could be a price too high for even that reason. They need to explain their conclusions.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Californian 5/21/2025 4:14:21 AM (No. 1953352)
1,5, we are not supposed to be doing back n forth debate on L so this is my second and only reply. There's no lie. I didn't call you a liar. I said you were fact free which is very different. Your post was fact free. The rest of your post is straw man and ad hominem as well. You never said where you're visiting from because you're certainly not a regular poster here even if you have occasionally posted generic "I'm a real conservative and I hate maga and you're all dumb" rage bait. This is not the only message board me or many others here read. We've seen your type many times. "I'm a life long conservative and ". On the contrary, I spend way more time on lefty message boards than here so I see it all the time. I come here to detox from the swill being pushed by the hard left every day many of whom sound exactly like what we're seeing here from you. But it was nice of you to dine back and try again and insert some stuff about the budget which had absolutely nothing to do with this Epstein article. Good try. I'm now deeply violating L posting policy as I understand it and will not reply again. Sorry, management, I had to this once.
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