Biden Approves Sending Cluster Bombs to
Ukraine as NATO Prepares for Discussions
of Ukraine Entering Alliance
Conservative Treehouse,
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Sundance
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
7/8/2023 2:00:05 PM
This latest development from the Biden administration is concerning on many levels.
The White House is announcing their approval to send cluster bombs to Ukraine in an effort to provide a very deadly and dangerous type of munitions that have been resoundingly criticized by most of the western alliance.(snip) not just dangerous on the battlefield, (snip)notorious for creating collateral civilian damage.
That said, when you overlay the reality of the Ukraine policy, essentially World War Reddit, being driven in large part by a psychological operation(snip)in combination with very unstable people in the U.S. government seemingly playing war (snip); one must also look at this from a Russian
Reply 1 - Posted by:
earlybird 7/8/2023 2:03:11 PM (No. 1508574)
FTA:
Is the Biden administration really willing to deploy cluster bombs or is this some PR narrative intended to give the impression the U.S. is willing to up the stakes in the use of weapons that will continue escalating, regardless of consequence. There are a lot of unstable minds within this larger Ukraine narrative as promoted by the White House, Pentagon and State Dept (CIA).
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Mofongo 7/8/2023 2:13:13 PM (No. 1508580)
Well, they predicted global warming, and they were right.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
earlybird 7/8/2023 2:36:49 PM (No. 1508591)
From commenter Totally_Disillusioned at CTH:
There’s legitimate reasons why the majority of the World bans cluster bombs – 40% of the clusters do not detonate on impact. Debris, overgrowth hide these bombs sometimes for years later only to be detonated by a plow, construction/cleanup machinery, killing or severely disabling innocent civilians. Their threat to civilians is higher than IEDs as they have a much wider range of damaging shrapnel. The Marxists are transforming America into an evil bully the influence of which is reflected onto the American citizens themselves. The world hates us.
Another commenter remarks that dangerous remains of US cluster bombs dropped decades ago are still all over Vietnam.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
sunnyges 7/8/2023 2:37:27 PM (No. 1508592)
What country will sacrifice aircraft and pilots to deliver this ordnance. I believe Ukraine does not have a qualified means of delivery and Russia has air superiority.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Quigley 7/8/2023 2:47:13 PM (No. 1508596)
Has there been a serious statement on Ukraine by the crackhead pop?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Jesuslover54 7/8/2023 2:52:29 PM (No. 1508599)
Let Ukraine into NATO and then let's leave. Everybody gets what they want and we get to save a lot of money.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
bamboozle 7/8/2023 3:30:39 PM (No. 1508619)
Couple this with the sudden push to admit Ukraine to NATO, and bingo wwiii just in time for the elections. It's diabolical.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 7/8/2023 3:49:02 PM (No. 1508624)
Good news, IMO. I am amazed at the folks who apparently buy all the Russian propaganda, and want Ukrainians to die just to spite Idiot Joe. I despise the man intensely, but this policy of supporting a country to fight THEMSELVES for their freedom against the Russian invaders is the right thing to do.
I don't care WHAT country is invading or being invaded, to just take it over, I'll support the country defending and think the USA should also.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
MindMadeUp 7/8/2023 3:50:12 PM (No. 1508625)
Biden, half our congress, and most European leaders have laundered billions of dollars through Ukraine and can't afford to have it lose.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
jimkata 7/8/2023 4:54:45 PM (No. 1508655)
Remember when the Democrats were the part of NO War and negotiation and the Republicans were the "war mongers"?
How things have changed. This went from providing aid for defense to totally fighting a war... and with a nuke power. Where are the peace advocates?
Looks like Johnson's Vietnam.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Hermit_Crab 7/8/2023 5:01:56 PM (No. 1508657)
Cluster Munitions to Ukraine.
The gift that keeps on giving....
For Decades after the war has ended.
Assuming we all aren’t destroyed by global Nuclear War and the Ukraine war actually ends, the cluster munitions JoeBama wants to give Ukraine, will, in the long term. likely end up maiming or killing more Ukrainian peasants than they do Russian troops and machines.
I sure wouldn’t want to be a Ukrainian Farmer plowing my fields that are currently battlefields, or a Ukrainian child playing in the woods that are now providing concealment for ‘ruzzian troops’.
Oh, and the ignorance of some people is stunning (Including the author) What Joe is giving Zelenskyy is not cluster BOMBS to be dropped from airplanes, but 155mm artillery cluster rounds, to be delivered by artillery.
And the reason that Joe is sending the cluster rounds is because the U.S. has already sent them nearly all of our more conventional 155mm rounds. We are out of them ourselves, so don't expect the U.S. to have much of an Artillery response if a foreign army of significance attacks US. Zelenskyy burns through SEVEN TIMES the amount of 155mm ammo that the U.S. is capable currently capable of producing in a given period... That is why 0Biden was begging South Korea to give up most of theirs a couple weeks ago.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
JimBob 7/8/2023 5:02:30 PM (No. 1508658)
I think it's a good thing to support the Ukrainians who are fighting the Russian invasion.
THEY are standing up, THEY are doing the fighting. We're just giving them the equipment they need.
It's not like previous situations where America's young men are fighting and dying, and the people we are supposedly fighting for are lackluster at best or completely MIA.
On the other hand, I despise the corruption that is -said to be- also going on.
America should not be paying Ukraine's civil service retirement pensions.
America should not be shoveling money that is going down ratholes.
America should not be supplying arms that are being diverted and sold on the black market -if this is really happening. (By the way, how does one tell if American equipment on the black market came from Ukraine, or the $70,000,000,000 'stash' that Crooked Joe turned over to the Taliban?
I despise the 'war profiteers', like the arrogant young Blackrock guy on O'Keef's video who says that "War is Good for Business".
But, there are so many lies.... Is there really all this corruption, or is that a lie designed to get us to stop supplying the Ukrainians?
I don't believe Putin, on the other hand I know that Biden is a liar, and the people working for him are also liars.
Stepping back and taking a wider view, I understand that when there was the 'coup' or government change in Ukraine a few years ago, there was some international conference where NATO and Russia made an agreement that NATO would not expand any farther to the east, and there would be a 'buffer' of 'neutral' countries between the NATO countries and Russia,
I understand that since then, several of these agreed-to-be neutral countries have joined NATO, and Russia feels betrayed and threatened. On the other hand, these countries are joining NATO because Russia keeps invading and taking over parts of these countries. It gets complicated, especially when there is not true, agreed-on reliable information.
I am concerned -not yet 'afraid', but concerned- that this crooked senile Fool we have, and his evil handlers 'behind the green curtain' are going to get us into a serious war with Russia, while at the same time doing everything that they can -cutting off and depleting our petroleum supply, increasing world oil prices (which benefits Russia), demoralizing our military people- to weaken the US and setting us up to LOSE..... Especially if China takes advantage of our weakness and preoccupation, and jumps in to take Taiwan, and who knows what else.
I hope I'm wrong, but it might get Ugly, REAL Ugly!
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Ashley Brenton 7/8/2023 5:48:36 PM (No. 1508684)
#4 "Cluster bombs" has become a generic term for weapons that scatter explosive sub-munitions, or bomblets, over a target. Ukraine does indeed want those aerial bombs, but to disassemble so as to harvest the individual bomblets. The are great for dropping on vehicles from drones. Much better than what they use now.
You are quite right. Neither Ukraine nor Russia is going to send a jet into Igla/Stinger country to drop a cluster bomb.
The cluster weapons that will be used "as is" are DPICM artillery shells and rockets fired from HIMARS/MLRS.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Twinkle93 7/8/2023 9:40:56 PM (No. 1508796)
No surprise. This is Joe. He does not care if mainly civilians including children get killed.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
earlybird 7/8/2023 10:04:37 PM (No. 1508806)
Re #13, is there a link for the statement that Ukraine intends to disassemble these bombs and drop them from drones? Thanks.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
JimBob 7/8/2023 11:26:47 PM (No. 1508829)
A second thought.....
This area was fought over -fiercely- by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in World War Two
I wonder..... how much unexploded ordinance is still lying around from THAT conflict, and how many people are hurt or killed every year from that?
Going back even farther, I believe that there are areas in France, where the trenches were in World War ONE, that have so much unexploded ordinance still in the ground, that the areas are closed to people. (Anyone with current information on that, please chip in!)
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Red Jeep 7/9/2023 6:19:57 AM (No. 1508893)
What? Did we run out of regular ammo?
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
ARKfamily 7/9/2023 6:37:08 AM (No. 1508898)
The problem I have with all of this: the Biden family has a vested financial interest in Ukraine and that creates a bias. The president should be removing himself from all of these decisions.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
msjena 7/9/2023 7:51:34 AM (No. 1508932)
If Ukraine enters NATO, we will be going to war with Russia. Is this what people want?
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Where the hell is Congress ? Are any of them going to speak out against this lunacy ?
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
EQKimball 7/9/2023 8:41:34 AM (No. 1508981)
Cui bono? What world power benefits from having a weakened Russia on its northern border? Follow the money. The Big Guy knows on which side his bread is buttered.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 7/9/2023 8:58:49 AM (No. 1509001)
Why are we doing this? Are we at war with Russia? Where is Congress? Get ready for an endless parade of photos of Russian (and Ukrainian) amputees. The US is abandoning its moral authority on the world stage. That is intentional. Anything that hurts America. Who is manufacturing these bombs and how much are they paying the Bidens? Between Ukraine and the arms manufacturers, our politicians (especially the Bidens) are getting rich off of this. Are they afraid Trump will become President and want something that will totally disrupt his agenda? Last time they used a pandemic. This time they will use war.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Zigrid 7/9/2023 11:24:00 AM (No. 1509132)
This smacks of desperation...to me...why suddenly this form of illegal warfare ...did the Pentagon have to many cluster bombs in stock...and it's their chance to unload them and get paid for the deal...with 10% to obama/biden and their families....something is rotten in DC....
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Italiano 7/9/2023 11:24:46 AM (No. 1509133)
Absolute insanity.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
mc squared 7/9/2023 12:02:57 PM (No. 1509161)
FTA: 'President Joe Biden acknowledged it took some time to be convinced to provide the controversial weapons,'
How long does it take to convince Joe of anything? You put a paper in front of him, have his nurse hold his hand while he signs it, and voi-la! Let it be done.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
NotaBene 7/9/2023 1:15:59 PM (No. 1509186)
Where are the anti-war demonstrations of the Vietnam era? Where are the massive anti-Reagan demonstrations in Europe to remove the nuclear Pershing missiles of 1980? The Globalist band plays on while we march gaily into WW III. Donald Trump is the only one that can stop this slide into Globalist War. Depleted Uranium first, cluster bombs now, small nuclear bombs next. Strange love dispensed by the neo-conservatives.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
danu 7/9/2023 6:51:42 PM (No. 1509354)
Dear God in Heaven, Your Son, our Saviour, and his Blessed Mother: please stop these diabolical mad men.
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