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It’s Time to Speak the Truth About Ukraine

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Posted By: GustoGrabber, 11/19/2022 11:42:23 AM

Joe Biden, the military-industrial-congressional complex, State Department neocons, the War Party comprised of all Democrats and many corporate Republicans, and Western globalist elites have the United States and NATO in a Ukrainian proxy war against Russia. The warmongers are obsessed with destroying Russia. To achieve it, they are determined to fight to the last Ukrainian. In eight months, Congress has wasted $69 billion of American taxpayer money to fund their proxy war. That’s about $8 billion more than Russia’s entire annual military budget. And to the delight of the American arms industry, there is no end in sight. Biden is soon expected to request another $50 billion.  CORRECTION*

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Reply 1 - Posted by: FormerDem 11/19/2022 12:10:24 PM (No. 1337738)
I have been supporting Ukraine, but at the moment, they are expanding their objectives and now insisting that the war must go on with Western support until they get Crimea back. In other words, let Africa be hungry and let Europe freeze, and empty the US Treasury and arsenal to support their claim to re enter a territory that is at present full of people who do not want them. This is pride and hubris and not particularly just imo since Crimea belonged to the Tatars until Catherine the Great took it for Russia as I understand. Russia has a base there and will not ever let Ukraine keep it; this demand is for endless war to sustain their claim to what belongs to the Tatars if we are going back in history. And at present lived in by people who don't want Ukraine. Further while the young men of Russia may be uninterested in attacking Kiev it may be a very different recruiting story once Ukraine invades Crimea and starts trying to control and manage the Russians there. I think the Ukrainians are going to lose the war if they press this. They can try it on their own dime but not at the cost of starving and freezing the rest of the world. Their slogan nothing about ukraine without ukraine neglects the very very very many suffering to help their self-defense. Crimea is not self-defense. It is pride. And they may lose everything.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: stablemoney 11/19/2022 12:16:03 PM (No. 1337741)
The sanctions has destroyed the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The American standard of living will fall by 40% over the coming decade. Americans will be forced to exchange goods and services for foreign products and services, instead of printing paper money to pay for it.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Namma 11/19/2022 12:40:32 PM (No. 1337760)
I have been done with this war for months. Its another scam. biden gives billions to ukraine and buys oil from russia. make sense to you? Now with the latest stunt, just proves I am right. bidens friend zelensky lies to the whole world about those rockets. NO ONE, or nation calls him out on it. He lied! those rockets were ukrainian rockets, not russian and what does biden do, he sends zelensky more of our tax money. This guy has gotten billions of our money that will never come back into our economy. meantime, our vets live on the street. crime is out of control, and heating oil and natural gas is being controlled, and coal mines are being threatened. This is all so wrong
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Reply 4 - Posted by: snakeoil 11/19/2022 12:50:32 PM (No. 1337766)
Certainly I am sadden and appalled by the destruction of Ukraine and the death and injury to both Ukrainians AND Russians. However, the $ 69 billion is money we can't afford to spend on a foreign war that doesn't, in any way, affect our security. The millions illegally crossing our southern border are coming from central and south America. Not Europe/Asia. If there is money to be spent, that's where it should be spent. Back in the 90s there was a civil war in Rwanda where it is estimated that 3 million people were killed. We didn't get involved. Are we getting dumber? America First and Last.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: MissGrits 11/19/2022 12:52:05 PM (No. 1337768)
This was never an either/or situation. Love Ukraine or hate Russia. When the Dems and MSM got on the Ukraine train, I knew there was a rat in the woodpile. Tell me I was wrong!
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Reply 6 - Posted by: MDConservative 11/19/2022 12:57:05 PM (No. 1337771)
Berlin has fallen. The Russians are hardly bent on world domination. Time to disband NATO. Being “Leader of the Free World” is grossly overrated. We just don’t have the spare cash anymore.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: tootall 11/19/2022 12:59:58 PM (No. 1337772)
Every $$$ needs to be accounted for! This is a money laundering scheme ... and the big guy is getting $$$ from Putin for driving the price of oil higher. Amazing!!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: czechlist 11/19/2022 1:03:50 PM (No. 1337776)
There are 2 things at play. Z and Ukrainian oligarchs have information/evidence of Western corruption (blackmail) and the neocons have been wanting to eliminate Putin for 2 decades in order to access Russian markets (imperialism) I laugh at the projection of the left when they accuse conservatives of fascism and nationalism while they accuse anyone opposed to this conflict as not supporting western government "defensive" alliances as they try to expand the conflict and , worst, of being a Putin supporter.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: doctorfixit 11/19/2022 1:04:41 PM (No. 1337778)
Washington DC is the enemy. I will not be distracted by the warmongers.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: EQKimball 11/19/2022 1:11:40 PM (No. 1337784)
Interested in reconstituting the Soviet Union? The area of Ukraine is 1.5 times as large as California, and before the invasion, the country had a population of more than 40 million. Agriculturally, it is even more important to Russia and much of Europe than California is to the U.S. It had heavy industry and vibrant commerce, not to mention an important seaport and railway system. Breaking with the Soviet Union was akin to removing the queen from the chessboard. What price is too high to prevent the return of the Evil Empire?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: marbles 11/19/2022 1:16:44 PM (No. 1337786)
Ukraine is the money laundering cesspool of the world. Why do we " give " money to them?......... to keep their mouths shut ( they know a lot of damning secrets about highly placed people ) and then there are the kickbacks and payoffs to many of those same people.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Cyaindasun 11/19/2022 1:49:16 PM (No. 1337797)
I've been against this since Day 1 and this lays out perfectly why.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 11/19/2022 1:53:19 PM (No. 1337801)
The novel 1984 had its perpetual war. The Biden Crime Family (incl. the Deep State) also has their perpetual war, this time in the Ukraine. 1984 had NewSpeak, and the BCF has its own onespeak and also doesn't tolerate dissent. Orwell was ahead of his time. It's a Orwellian time.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: WI Cynic 11/19/2022 1:57:42 PM (No. 1337803)
I opposed our involvement from the outside. There is no "good guy" in this war; Ukraine caused it just as much as Russia. I have a serious mistrust of Russia, but if the US were in their shoes - say Mexico was shelling all hell out of Coahuila on a daily basis, tens of thousands of artillery rounds every week, and Coahuila was chock full of US ex-pats and their English-speaking descendants - then after a few years we'd end up invading Coahuila to put a stop to it. We've invaded a lot of places for a lot less.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 11/19/2022 2:06:00 PM (No. 1337807)
FTA - "The war in Ukraine is not in the interest of the American people; Biden’s sanctions on Russia are destroying our economy; the billions wasted on this war are taxpayer dollars that should have been spent fixing problems here at home; the Zelenskyy government is a corrupt, de facto Nazi regime; and the proxy war against Russia is pushing us towards nuclear destruction. The warmongers depend upon manipulating public opinion through disinformation and fear so average Americans will ignore the issues that are really important to our families and nation. This is what they are doing with Ukraine. America cannot support Nazis. We need an open debate in Congress to expose the truth about the proxy war in Ukraine—and Republicans with the integrity and courage to lead it. " So, there you have it. From Maurice Richards. I try to now boil this down a bit. Look, Putie has made it abundantly clear for almost a year now he wants nothing to do with the Great Reset. Under the sheets, China and Iran are of the same opinion. An uber-corrupt Ukraine which claims membership aspirations to a woke NATO desires the Great Reset. Unfortunately, the Ukrainian people don't realize what is the Great Reset. By proxy, so far anyway, a woke-NATO, Klaus, and the United States support welcoming Ukraine to the Great Reset with an eye toward transitioning them and all of Europe to the Great Reset at the end of the day. And if the Ukrainian people didn't think life was a living hell already, just they and western Europe wait until Klaus finishes making his mark there in the foreseeable future. But the odds of the Ukrainian army and its conscripts defeating Putie and his Russian army and conscripts at this stage are very unlikely. So, United States, Canada, Western Europe, Japan, South America, Africa - you in this game?, Australia, New Zealand, and your Great Reset buddies, what to do now?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Zeek Wolfe 11/19/2022 2:18:56 PM (No. 1337816)
This essay is filled with two things at variance with each other: demonstrable facts and utter rubbish. How is the average person to make sense of this? I have no clue.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Quigley 11/19/2022 2:44:04 PM (No. 1337829)
I’ve been done with Ukraine since a Ukrainian born military officer impeached our president, and since I learned that the Biden family has looted that country. Now that i know that FTX has been funded by the Ukrainians and in turn funded the Dems, I’m really, really, really done.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: minuteman 11/19/2022 3:36:40 PM (No. 1337858)
Very important read.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 11/19/2022 3:54:58 PM (No. 1337865)
The first sentence is bull, so I stopped. Ukraine is defending themselves from invasion. Saying anything against them is going against the concept of self-defense against violent attackers. I am armed to protect my self from violent attackers on a personal level. This is exactly the same thing except it is a nation, Russia, attacking another nation. Ukraine attacked no one. They have doing nothing outside of the boundaries of their own country. Only defense inside their country. Any good person should always support any person or country who is defending against attack. I am absolutely amazed at the people who believe in self defense on a personal level, but would deny it to a country who started nothing, and had massive numbers of troops, aircraft and missiles that entered it's country and has killed tens of thousands of their citizens, many who are civilians killed in their homes. Leaving Ukraine to fail for lack of tools to defend themselves is a tacit agreement that the brutal Russian invasion is OK.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Nimby 11/19/2022 4:17:43 PM (No. 1337874)
The truth is Zelensky is nothing but a comedian scam artist, who is sucking the western nation dry
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Heil Liberals 11/19/2022 4:44:36 PM (No. 1337880)
I am amazed at all the bs that people are believing about the poor Ukrainians. I smelled it from the get-go. No one is pure in this conflict, least of all the United States and NATO. The Support Ukraine crowd, as with many others, have blinders on to the facts. Of course, if you believe the facts are conspiracy, then you will never see through the fog to know that you are headed the wrong direction. As for Russia domination of the world, hell, they have a flat population growth and less than half the population of the U.S. Meanwhile, the Chinazi CCP IS bent on world domination. So where is the outrage and condemnation of those ruthless bastids? ... crickets.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: NotaBene 11/19/2022 5:29:54 PM (No. 1337900)
Hope this article will be a must read. We need discussion as we slouch into WWIII. The Bidens made a mint in Ukraine, as did the Pelosi, Kerry and Romney sons. Alexander Vindman, Vilctoria Nuland-Kagan, Strobe Talbott and others of their group got President Trump impeached in a jiffy. The CIA had this war planned for decades and Trump had to be removed by a coup for US to start it.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: lakerman1 11/19/2022 6:02:37 PM (No. 1337909)
The article notes that the Ukraine was owned by Tatars. (or words to that effect) The Tatars were filthy islamofascist terrorist pigs who looted, raped and pillaged their way across eastern Europe, including Poland. They were asian, swarthy skinned black haired devils, who wreaked havoc. Granting them some historical right to Crimea is absurd.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: volksford 11/19/2022 6:18:06 PM (No. 1337917)
The truth is...its a political money laundering haven is even better than the old House Post Office scam.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: rochow 11/19/2022 6:33:12 PM (No. 1337923)
Perhaps that Bankman Fried has some 50$billion stashed away somewhere and he will help the vegetable out! Later on, it will be laundered in the Ukraine and somehow get back to the US! Hm, into someone's private pocket? A person that is never seen in the Oval????
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Reply 26 - Posted by: MDConservative 11/19/2022 7:19:21 PM (No. 1337944)
#19 - No one is denying the Kids their self defense. Just don't involve the US or NATO in that fight. There is nothing in our national interests at stake. If the Euros want, they're welcome to join the fray without NATO. Poland and Romania are champing at the bit.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: TCloud 11/19/2022 8:20:02 PM (No. 1337981)
Burisma is/was a major arms exporter of Russian Military Equipment, firearms and ammunition up to and during the hiring of Hunter Biden as an energy consultant with that branch of Burisima. Have they taken down their web site? Now Ukraine's Zelensky has become the largest kick back artist of the Universe gorging Dem Pols' pockets with the Green Stuff! Putin has to be most amused by it all and now his friend Grand Father Winter is coming!
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Reply 28 - Posted by: JHHolliday 11/19/2022 8:58:26 PM (No. 1337999)
I admire the Ukrainians for their courage and grit resisting the Russians imperialism. The Russians want Ukraine for strategic and financial reasons, that said, Ukraine is just about as corrupt as Nigeria. We really don’t have a dog in this hunt. This country is bankrupt and should stop any and all foreign aid to any country. Trump is somewhat of an isolationist and he is right. We need our money (printed and borrowed) here at home. Cut them all off...Africa, Pakistan etal. We are now governed by fools and incompetent bunglers. I would rather have the Mafia ruling us. At least they seem to know what leadership is about.
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Posted by Black Conservative Voice 11/21/2022 12:46:17 PM Post Reply
President Biden pardoned two turkeys at the White House Monday, continuing a presidential tradition of letting some birds off the hook for Thanksgiving. The National Turkey Federation has donated turkeys to the president ahead of Thanksgiving since 1947 under President Harry Truman. President John F. Kennedy is believed to be the first president to spare the turkey, and President George H. W. Bush was the first to formalize the “pardon” tradition. Biden last year pardoned turkeys named “Peanut Butter” and “Jelly” from Indiana. This year’s turkeys, “Chocolate” and “Chip,” which the president noted is his favorite ice cream flavor, come from North Carolina.
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