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NBC: BORTAC agents who were told not to
enter the school waited 30 minutes and
then went in anyway

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 5/28/2022 12:53:17 AM

As Allahpundit pointed out here, when BORTAC agents showed up at Robb Elementary School Tuesday, they were told by the on scene commander not to enter the school. The NY Times reported the agents had driven from the border and showed up between noon and 12:10 pm. And we know from an earlier timeline that they finally breached the door around 12:50 pm and killed the suspect within a few minutes. Now NBC has published a story with a small but significant update to what the Times reported earlier. It turns out the BORTAC agents who killed Ramos were never told to go inside. Instead,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: PChristopher 5/28/2022 1:11:28 AM (No. 1168246)
At some point, one has to wonder whether all of these seemingly unrelated incidents aren't being orchestrated.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: thefield 5/28/2022 1:14:59 AM (No. 1168247)
The on scene commander should be publicly horse whipped.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: DVC 5/28/2022 1:38:07 AM (No. 1168255)
The brave men finally had to disobey the fool in charge and get the job done, too late for how many extra children?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: GoodDeal 5/28/2022 1:43:13 AM (No. 1168257)
There is a broader conspiracy underlying all of this. The Texas 16 is part of it.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: RuckusTom 5/28/2022 2:58:25 AM (No. 1168278)
Why was a federal agency (the Border Patrol) involved with a State / local issue? If that's the path we're on, start calling in the US military for traffic tickets.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Dr. Constant 5/28/2022 3:00:32 AM (No. 1168279)
#5 Read!!!!! They drove up when they heard of the situation.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: RuckusTom 5/28/2022 3:15:37 AM (No. 1168286)
Hi #6 (I think that's against the rules here at Lucianne). Why didn't the local po po take care of the issue and instead stood around with their thumbs up their backsides ... for an hour?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Rinktum 5/28/2022 4:08:29 AM (No. 1168288)
Let’s not forget that through sheer cowardice and incompetency, 21 precious souls lost their lives waiting for the Police to rescue them. I understand the importance of chain of command, but standing around securing a perimeter while an insane gunman is on a killing spree is unconscionable by any measure. I cannot wrap my brain around the thinking of those in charge who did nothing to save those children and teachers. How do you justify that? It’s bad enough this happened but to know it could have had a different outcome is heart wrenching. God bless the families who lost loved ones. Their grief must be devastating.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Cynical Backstory 5/28/2022 6:40:43 AM (No. 1168343)
Small town cops. I’ve lived with them my entire life. Big heads, big bellies and small ba11s.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: BarryNo 5/28/2022 6:41:00 AM (No. 1168344)
Just speculation, but you need a short amount of time, even with a trained team, to strategize before entry. You need intelligence (information) about how many perps/locations, hostages, armament of perps. If the local commander was not forthcoming, and adament about not going in, it may have taken time for the BORTAC team to assemble that information.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: BarryNo 5/28/2022 6:43:14 AM (No. 1168346)
To answer no. 5: one of the earliest bits about BORTAC is that they were in Uvalde already, searching for Cartel stash houses.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 5/28/2022 7:02:28 AM (No. 1168361)
The usual. Dims start pushing gun control again for political advantage and the "experts" in the msm start questioning police competency. My first thoughts? Look at the serious problems this Ramos kid had. The list is long as to what I believe pushed him to murder a room full of children and teachers - 1. No father at home. 2. Mother is a drug addict. 3. Ramos lived with his grandmother. 4. Ramos had a severe speech impediment - severe stutter. 5. Ramos was bullied relentlessly at school for his disability. 6. Granny left the kid on his own to plow through life. 7. Texas schools were aware of his problems but let the kid flounder on his own. Yes, the breakdown in the police response is pretty disgusting. What happened here is a parents' worst nightmare. Let us also deal with America's worsening mental health crisis among adults and kids starting with this Ramos kid. While government is always good at addressing the symptoms of a problem, can we ourselves address the source of the problem. What is driving people to violence. Pop Quiz 1. Does America have worsening a mental crisis? Answer - {fill in the blank yourself} 2. If you believe the answer to Question 1 is "yes", who or what brought this mental health crisis upon us and what do we do about it? Answer - {fill in the blank yourself}
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Amoeba 5/28/2022 7:15:53 AM (No. 1168369)
#12. It is demon possession. It is Satan's Plan A. And he doesnt have a plan B and never did.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: anniebc 5/28/2022 8:05:29 AM (No. 1168404)
Some of us have wondered at how these incidents almost seem to happen on cue. The left always screams gun control to take the focus off them and and their policies--the real cause of this mess. They think they will never be held accountable, but when they are, it won't be as a group; they will be held individually accountable for their hatred of God, for that is their problem. Plain and simple.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 5/28/2022 8:24:22 AM (No. 1168415)
#12 don't forget "gamer".
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Reply 16 - Posted by: BarryNo 5/28/2022 8:59:36 AM (No. 1168466)
I have an idea how the brat got his guns and ammo. Check Granny. If she's a straw purchaser for the Cartels, the kid could have used her account to purchase the equipment. I've heard he was bullied for dressing as a woman. Dress up, use granny's ID to pick up the items ordered online but required to go to a licensed dealer. He pulls it off, goes home and confronts granny who has just discovered he's appropriated the cash the cartels had given her for their order. He shoots granny, heads to the school and plays out his fantasy (another thread claimed he had wanted to do this when he was 14, but couldnt get the equipment. Police records expunged when he turned 18). Pure speculation, you understand. Does NOT explain the open door, and a lot of other things.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: bighambone 5/28/2022 9:05:35 AM (No. 1168469)
Remember Biden and the leftist Democrats have been vilifying the US Border Patrol, Border Patrol agents, and even Border Patrol horses since Biden assumed the presidency for allegedly using excessive force along the borderline against smugglers and illegal aliens. Some extreme leftist Democrats who support “open borders” and mass uncontrolled illegal immigration have even been advocating completely disarming the Border Patrol and to transform that federal law enforcement agency into some sort of social worker organization to welcome and assist all illegal aliens after they unlawfully enter the USA. If those leftist Democrats had been successful in their efforts to destroy the Border Patrol, there would not have been a Border Patrol BORTAC tactical unit to take down the perpetrator in the Uvalde elementary school. Don’t be surprised if some leftist Democrats don’t pop up claiming that individual members of the Border Patrol tactical unit who entered the school, apparently against the instructions of the local school police chief, should be indicted for using excessive force without local police authority by confronting and killing the perpetrator.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: LadyVet 5/28/2022 10:09:30 AM (No. 1168525)
What most do not understand is that a Independent School District (ISD) police department is not a large dept. And they do not handle serious crime. Why the DPS and sheriff dept was deferring to the ISD is incomprehensible.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: lakerman1 5/28/2022 10:33:55 AM (No. 1168549)
Did he intend to attack the elementary school, or did he attack it as the nearest target when he drove into the ditch? I didn't want to see anyone shot, but if it were inevitable, too bad he didn't go to the hi.s. where his tormentors/bullies were. As a professor, by the way, I have had bullies in class, from undergraduate students to doctoral students! And I even had a few of them attempt to bully me about their grades. It didn't go well for them.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 5/28/2022 11:12:52 AM (No. 1168583)
Do a search on 'Uvalde School Shooting Timeline'. This was a hostage situation, not a barricade situation. Children were calling 911 from inside the classroom. There were 8-9 children in the room still alive. The classroom doors the police had to go through were locked, probably by the shooter.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Heil Liberals 5/28/2022 12:42:58 PM (No. 1168660)
I am reminded of the scene in “Lone Survivor” where they are debating what to do with the people who stumbled on them. They argued about it with one salient point being that they didn’t wan to end up on CNN. Do not think that politics, social pressure, and fear of the outcome did not affect decisions made on the ground. Those Navy Seals sacrificed themselves in order to not be summarily destroyed by the press and command structure for “murdering” non-combatants (who then became combatants). There are few people who are willing to suffer the slings and arrows of public opinion and the possible legal jeopardy from making the right decision. I suspect such was the case here.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: joew9 5/28/2022 6:10:53 PM (No. 1168867)
To enter not knowing anything at all about who is inside, how many shooters, what do they look like, are they hiding, are they trying to look like the students or the teachers. It takes time to figure out these things. Charging in without knowing any of this is almost certainly going to get you killed. Bravery is great when it works out. But didn't I hear that one law enforcement officer had already been shot?
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