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I tell you the truth, Jesus is not our mom

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Posted By: Big Bopper, 12/22/2021 12:25:37 PM

Two thousand years ago, a carpenter lived a conventional life for 30 years in a tiny village in the Middle East. Then he somehow became as they might say today, “radicalized.” Historians agree that Jesus did exist. There are reliable ancient records of him. But most of what we know are opaque and contradictory accounts written decades after his death in what we now call the Gospel of the New Testament. In one sense, those Gospel accounts are profoundly simple. They say Jesus was the Messiah prophesized in the Hebrew Bible. As such, he performed miracles to save those needing saving. He came back from the dead. That’s the word.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: DVC 12/22/2021 12:33:54 PM (No. 1015692)
Beaton gets this right, too.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: BeatleJeff 12/22/2021 12:42:25 PM (No. 1015700)
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Reply 3 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 12/22/2021 12:45:36 PM (No. 1015703)
Void of Doctrine, but a compelling view of The Creator Of The Universe who emptied himself to become a man! 100% God and 100% man! He faced the most brutal form of execution ever invented and took upon his sinless self all the combined sins of all mankind! Hardly the life of a girly man! My faith in him saved and he gave that to me as a gift!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Flyball Dogs 12/22/2021 1:08:27 PM (No. 1015721)
Interesting read. A bit rambling and disjointed, in my opinion. But the conclusion is 1,000% correct. However, what I’ve found is the world loves and embraces “baby Jesus” (and Christmas). The question becomes: what will you do with the man, Jesus, who died and rose again?
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Reply 5 - Posted by: seamusm 12/22/2021 1:15:02 PM (No. 1015724)
While Beaton and I have minor differences, overall I could not agree more. The real Christ is a real man and died a brutal death on behalf of every man, woman, and child. Those who look for a 'good and gentle Jesus', an effeminate Christ mommy-figure are missing his manly courageous sacrifice and the war against evil which still requires such virtues. We have mothers as did Christ himself but Mary had a different role in our salvation - she said 'Yes' when the Angel Gabriel came calling on God's behalf.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Quigley 12/22/2021 1:15:34 PM (No. 1015725)
A good, adult rumination. I suppose that the simple stylized depictions of Christ are for the children. Too bad so few take the time and effort to mature their childhood views.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird 12/22/2021 1:19:01 PM (No. 1015728)
This is one of the most powerful things I have ever read. There will always be those who pick the essays of others apart, the critics. They show up here every day. They create nothing. I wonder how they could have said this any better. I don’t believe they could have.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Zeek Wolfe 12/22/2021 1:39:12 PM (No. 1015739)
I'm not strictly speaking a "born again" Christian. I have not attended a church service in decades. Thoughts about Jesus Christ have horrified my family, but of one thing I am sure and Jesus preached about it. It was an integral part of his doctrine...the world to come. No, not a "world" as we understand it with political and social divisions, but a place of the spirit. I just finished reading 29 essays on the topic sponsored by entrepeneur Robert Bigelow. That which I have long suspected is true, the survival of personality into the spirit world. When I was student I saw ghost and knew immediately what I was looking at. Eight years ago I saw another ghost in broad daylight "walking" on a sidewalk in a public park.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: anniebc 12/22/2021 1:46:32 PM (No. 1015744)
I'll refrain from commenting since poster #7 is dictator for the day. Let's all agree with poster #7; we all need our day.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: franq 12/22/2021 2:03:40 PM (No. 1015761)
Good article, but I would take exception to his claim that the Gospel accounts are contradictory. That also implies not trustworthy, so where does the author arrive at his conclusions?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: JackBurton 12/22/2021 2:04:35 PM (No. 1015762)
Anyone who mocks a depiction of Jesus with 'carry around lambs.... cute pets' didn't read enough of the Gospels to see His self styling as the Good Shepard. As for the long hair, ever hear of the Shroud of Turin? I dunno... maybe there was a barber shortage. As to the fat clergy, etc... when they had the revolution in Mexico, a bit over 100 years ago, there was a nun or priest hanging from every lampost in Mexico City. Something that has happened repeatedly in history and goes on today. To read the Gospels, you have to understand Judaism. The Jews at the time sometimes wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy. What is that? Well, they well understood what He was saying and recognized that Jesus said he was God. Only God can forgive sins, for example. When saying that got the dander up of the listeners, Jesus then heals a lame man or casts out a demon, or stands up in a boat and says 'Shut up' to a storm (linguistics of the Gospel show that this was indeed the idiom used) and... the storm obeys. The lame man walks. A dead person rises. Divine. No question.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Sanchin 12/22/2021 2:08:55 PM (No. 1015767)
The article is like a brief PowerPoint presentation on Jesus given in to high school students.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Corndoggies 12/22/2021 2:21:58 PM (No. 1015776)
To me this reads like a believers conversation with a non believer. I enjoyed it though. Merry Christmas!! Christ is born!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: FormerDem 12/22/2021 2:47:59 PM (No. 1015790)
glenn, you mean well but you are overstating the mystery around who wrote the gospels. If you want to talk about this, read Eusebius at a minimum. He wrote in the fourth century when the Church came out of hiding, fwiw, every Body knows that a bunch of so called gospels were written by various people BUT the ones chosen for the canon were the ones used during the persecution, when to own one and get caught was to die. Nobody was willing to die for those gnostic gospels, gospel of so called Peter. These are the ones people would die to hear again. Moreover. the Dead Sea Scrolls, locked into a sealed cave, have a fragment of Mark's gospel. Do go read up. The scholars don't want to believe anything but for the most contemporary account of when/how/who wrote them, read Eusebius.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: mre 12/22/2021 2:49:39 PM (No. 1015792)
Meh. Okay essay, but he doesn’t seem to realize the messianic implications of the term “son of a man,” and neglects to note or acknowledge that the early Christians began worshiping Jesus as God within a relatively short period of time after his resurrection. Though he argues that Jesus was a man and not a “mom,” his Christology is somewhat lame.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: watashiyo 12/22/2021 2:59:32 PM (No. 1015800)
He knew you even before you were born. Ask and you shall receive.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: TexaTucky 12/22/2021 3:19:48 PM (No. 1015814)
As a kid who grew up without his father, I was drawn to Jesus because I heard he loved me. That love always felt masculine to me, nurturing and comforting and strong . . . just like my mother's love always felt feminine, but also nurturing and comforting and strong. Nothing passive about it coming from either one. What would it have said about me if I had been drawn to Jesus the hairy chested, beer drinking construction worker with a temper? Is that really masculinity?
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Reply 18 - Posted by: moebellini3 12/22/2021 3:27:49 PM (No. 1015821)
This is what drugs does to the brain.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: IdahoSky 12/22/2021 3:46:05 PM (No. 1015836)
The headline is the best part. Beaton is usually much better than this. This piece reads like a poorly informed high school student wrote it.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Big Bopper 12/22/2021 4:50:40 PM (No. 1015903)
Beaton is correct about the complexity of Christ and the contradictions in the Gospels, and virtually all serious Biblical scholars would agree with him. Anyone who does not should read the Gospels more carefully or, even simpler, just make a few clicks with a Google search for others who have. Until you recognize and ponder with these complexities and contradictions, you're not a believer, you're just somebody in a tribe.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 12/22/2021 4:50:55 PM (No. 1015905)
Jesus compared us to sheep that need shepherds to guide them. The picture of Jesus carrying a lamb and caring for a lamb makes sense from that perspective. Have always tried to understand what Jesus was. He was a human being that could do things no other human could do. Have been taught a human being has a soul. Whose soul was associated with Jesus? God's? The Son of God? Jesus of Nazareth, the human being? Something worked through Jesus helping him do things nobody else could do. Who was that? God? The Son of God? Guess Jesus is a mystery of sorts. Did God intend that? Can't help but think God wants us to understand him. Perhaps that is work in progress.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: franq 12/22/2021 5:21:56 PM (No. 1015919)
I am part of no tribe, and HAVE pondered and researched the so called contradictions. I can't think of any that weren't explained satisfactorily.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Big Bopper 12/22/2021 5:56:49 PM (No. 1015943)
Number 22: Here's a scholarly account of Gospel contradictions. This does not disprove Christianity. I'm a Christian myself. It simply illustrates that the Gospels were written not by Christ, but by men, and at different times for different audiences.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: franq 12/22/2021 7:07:53 PM (No. 1015995)
Sorry, BB, I wouldn't rely on NPR any more than Bertrand Russell. I read Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian and he completely avoids discussion of the Resurrection. But I digress. I went to the link in the interest of fairness, and was really not surprised at the treatment. When I got to the statement that none of the Gospel writers claimed to be eyewitnesses, I pretty much discarded the author's agenda.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird 12/22/2021 7:27:01 PM (No. 1016010)
I am no theologian - and no one here has announced himself to be one - so I’d say we’re all flying blind. Many years ago I was taught that the Gospels were written for different audiences. That consequently there were variations in the stories. That seems to remain the consensus. If you don’t like anything from NPR, how about this? None of us here is an expert, so oneupsmanship seems unseemly...
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Harlowe 12/23/2021 1:48:35 AM (No. 1016245)
The author’s intent to be lighthearted and secular may appeal to some individuals but for others, people of faith with utmost reverence for Jesus, frivolity is disappointing. This said, it is one’s faith that matters and that is to be commended. Although not a member of the clergy, the following comments are based on decades of church attendance and study of the Bible. ~ He and his friends drank a lot of wine. When they ran out, he made more. / Unless memory has failed, Scripture mentions only one occasion wherein Jesus made water into wine, at the request of his mother, and that was at the wedding at Cana. People drank wine or grape juice in Jesus’ time because it was less likely to be contaminated. Whether the wine Jesus and his Apostles drank was alcoholic or not is uncertain. ~ Christ’s unpredictability and contradictions confuse me. ... opaque and contradictory / The author does not present specifics so it is difficult to provide clarification; however, dedicated study of Scripture and/or talking with a member of the clergy may be enlightening. Jesus did use parables as a means of teaching; “Parables demand deep and meaningful thought, they encourage us to search Scripture. Parables are wonderfully missional and profoundly catechetical. ... Jesus invited people to share in the deep and wonderful knowledge of salvation.” For example, the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37) is primarily about the mercy of our Lord and, secondarily, an encouragement for us to love others as our Lord loves us. ~ He was coy about who and what he was. A reader of the Gospels is left wondering whether he himself wasn’t sure till the end. He seldom called himself the son of God, but often called himself the son of man. / There is no doubt whatsoever that Jesus knew his earthly fate. There was a purpose in being “coy” at times because He had a destiny to fulfill at the proper time and place. Regarding His being the Son of God and the son of man, Jesus is one person of the Trinity as evidenced during His baptism: “...the Son is in the Jordan River; the Spirit descends upon Him in the form of a dove; the Father speaks from heaven. They are separate, distinct persons.” There are no contradictions in the Bible. The words of Holy Scripture come from God. Prophets, evangelists and apostles wrote Scripture—people God chose “and inspired to lead His people.” “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16) It is written, “the words they wrote down would be God’s words. ... the thought or general idea came from God, but also the wording, the sentence structure, and the literary composition flowed from God as well as from the authors onto the written page. God worked with the personalities, skills, and abilities of these writers. As a result, the Scripture reflects the writers’ diversity of styles and perception.” Holy Scripture “displays a remarkable unity because God inspired it.” ~ The Lion of Judah fights a fiercer foe. / Indeed, the Lion of Judah, the “Lamb of God,” took away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)
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Reply 27 - Posted by: franq 12/23/2021 9:45:43 AM (No. 1016549)
Thank you, Harlowe.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Harlowe 12/24/2021 11:22:08 AM (No. 1017629)
#27 – Thank you.
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