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Premature Premonitions of Civil War?

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Posted By: Magnante, 10/9/2021 3:18:51 AM

Anyone paying attention knows that America is fast polarizing to become two distinct factions. (snip) Let’s first consider the political dynamics in 1860. America was similarly divided into two general factions, then defined as “free” and “slave” states. Then, there was no mass exodus occurring from the free states to the slave states. What doomed the Southern slave states, both economically and politically, was slavery itself. (snip) unlike the South in 1860, the dynamics driving the secessionist impulse of the red states are not due to their inability to compete in the economic and political landscape among free Americans in our constitutionally federalist system.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: stablemoney 10/9/2021 3:30:00 AM (No. 939626)
Forget about 1865. We are divided on capitalism, the constitution, federalism, personal freedom and responsibility. The left is using force to strip away people's freedom. That will never be accepted. And this is a warning, their freedom can be stripped away too. Tyranny is resented, and not soon forgotten. The left is afraid because of this, which is why they called out the national guard and the military to protect them from the people.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Right Republican 10/9/2021 5:52:04 AM (No. 939666)
Article summary: "Yes, yes, it all looks bad, but actually it's all sound and fury, signifying nothing. America will be all right. This is just another bump in the road to an empire's glory." Poster's response: "We're witnessing the dissolution of a once great nation right before our eyes. America's decline will end with disaster and disgrace."
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Reply 3 - Posted by: SweetPea3 10/9/2021 6:05:20 AM (No. 939675)
Once the food shortages set in and starvation rears its ugly head, watch the anarchy and riots emanate from the inner cities and spread to suburbia where fanily food stockpiles can be found. Civil War II will ensue, according to plan. Stalin knew, control the food, control the population.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: BarryNo 10/9/2021 7:18:52 AM (No. 939720)
Artivle barey brushed the fact, that with American fleeing Blue States, the Democrats are rushing in a new population to replace them - illegal immigrants and refugees. Interedtingly, they are pushing these into red states. In ancient seige warfare, a tactic, when besieging a fortress was to encourage the local populace to enter the castle, and use up their supplies, fsster. They would also slip in agitators to rile up mentioned citizenry to destro moral and create further problems for the beseiged. The Civil War is already underway.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: BarryNo 10/9/2021 7:26:55 AM (No. 939723)
BTW, The 'immigrants' who are turned away from the prosperous red states become the perfect shock troops for the blue. Resentful of being refused entry, and coming from a region where violence is casual, they can infiltrste a wreck havoc ahead of military action. We are at war, already.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 10/9/2021 8:21:39 AM (No. 939761)
Thanks General Sullivan. As usual, Generals always fight the last war. This ain't your grandmas civil war General Bill.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: bigfatslob 10/9/2021 8:51:43 AM (No. 939797)
This isn't 1860 and it ain't 'Bull Run' dejavu. This war has started the shooting hasn't but it's coming. Seattle and Portland along with a few other hot beds can only be burned and looted just so many times before the protected Antifa and BLM look for new places to burn and loot. Look at parents at school board meetings concerned about what is taught to their children are labeled terrorist to be hunted down by the FBI. There is something seriously wrong with that. It's here just be prepared when it's time for action. FJB.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Strike3 10/9/2021 8:53:39 AM (No. 939800)
Not premature, overdue. History teaches us that the numbers on each side mean nothing. We hold the moral high ground and freedom trumps tyranny and dictatorship. The Roman Legions, the thousands of Persians under Xerxes, The hordes of Genghis Khan and Mohammed, the Spanish Conquistadors, the British, the Nazi war machine were all greedy, murderous, wrong-headed, enemies of freedom. We can no longer talk to our enemies in this country because they are brainwashed idiots, but we can shoot the hell out of them and take back what has been stolen from us.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: FormerDem 10/9/2021 9:23:14 AM (No. 939834)
The public square without God looks like this. How do you refer to shared values without reference to our one Creator, and how do you make the case for another person's dignity without reference to the directions to us all from our one Maker?
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 10/9/2021 9:38:23 AM (No. 939842)
God was here when Americans were butchering each other at Gettysburg and Spotsylvania. While I pray for His intervention, this all is part of the plan. I just don't know how it ends, or when. I found the article to be fascinating, but a previous poster was right: this ain't 1860.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 10/9/2021 10:55:04 AM (No. 939907)
Very different circumstances today. We are fighting people that want to take away our rights, freedoms, personal property, and our very lives. That's how criminals behave. It must be understood that our government is turning into nothing more than a criminal organization supported by criminals. If there is going to be a civil war, I prefer we win it without firing a single shot. Deny these people the use of your critical skills and abilities. Don't produce. Don't work. Minimize what you spend. These people cannot tax a business or individual with zero income. What is the point of confiscating a business that produces nothing? You cannot confiscate property from people that have nothing. These people will likely force us to work at the point of a gun. Fine. Dig a ditch or push a mop or broom. Just deny them your critical skills. Its a guarantee that these people will resort to violence. I am reminded of a quote "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent". Let them resort to violence. More people will see they are criminals. People don't follow criminals. Their violence will gain them nothing. We will survive. They will collapse. Its already happening. People have stopped working. Businesses cannot produce. Supply chains are breaking down. They wanted this, buy all means, grease the rails. They are going to regret doing this. Keep doing it until they step down. They won't step down? They can rule over a wasteland, and be mocked worldwide. And they will gain nothing.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Marzon 10/9/2021 11:34:45 AM (No. 939974)
Secession won't work as the problem does not really divide along geographic lines. Rather the division is very much between urban and rural. Even in the most blue states the vast majority of rural counties vote red and the cities, even in the red states, vote blue. In many states the populations of a few major cities outnumber that of the rural areas and the cities are controlled by and "vote" for democrats thus turning the state blue. Huge quantities of Illegals are being strategically settled in purple and red state cities to accelerate this process in anticipation of an amnesty. I don't see millions of urbanites in red states willing to go along with secession nor millions of rural red voters willing to live under permanent blue dictatorship. Let the cities burn. Maybe then the urbanites will finally wise up.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: DVC 10/9/2021 11:55:29 AM (No. 940008)
I don't want a civil war, but it is hard to see how there isn't one coming, whether we want it or not. An old military saying is, "The enemy gets a vote". And our enemies mostly domestic, but certainly with a lot of ChiCom assistance, are trying to destroy everything, all at once. And the pushback is likely to spill over more and more into Kyle Rittenhouse territory, it would seem. More people will try to defend themselves, and have to fight back with force. The enemy will have it no other way. I hope I am wrong and there is some better way out of this.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: DVC 10/9/2021 11:57:08 AM (No. 940012)
Re #12. Not too hard to stop the food from flowing into those cities.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: MDConservative 10/9/2021 12:41:34 PM (No. 940057)
#11 - What this country needs is a week-long general strike. Nobody go to work. Nobody produce a thing, not product nor service. Shut it all down. Those who work and provide could send the others a message they cannot deny. And what will the employers do? Fire the strikers? Sure, go ahead. See where that gets anyone.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: RuckusTom 10/9/2021 3:37:55 PM (No. 940218)
Just watch. We'll have another Covid lockdown before the mid terms requiring a mail-in ballot bomb with ballots being sent to every warm bodied adult in the US - legally here or not. The defecrats will win in a sweep (after all votes are counted 3 months after the election) and we'll be over as a nation.
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