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Our Afghan War Began as a Revenge Op,
Now Ends as Another Defeat

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Posted By: SurferLad, 6/30/2021 12:42:41 PM

It was an iconic moment, George W. Bush at his authentic best talking to rescue workers and a shocked America from atop a heap of 9/11 rubble. Just three days after those awful sights of collapse and death the president stood there, arm around a firefighter, bullhorn in hand. Someone yelled, “Can’t hear you.” “I hear you!” said the commander-in-chief, “The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.” Loud cheers ensued at the site and far beyond. The cheering has long since died, replaced by

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Reply 1 - Posted by: usmc0302 6/30/2021 12:52:50 PM (No. 831547)
Somehow I'm not surprised. We had the Taliban on the ropes and living in caves but the woke generalship and leadership snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A private loses a rifle and catches holy hell but a general loses a war and is promoted. I am sickened at what I see for flag rank officers in today's military as they have forgotten how to be gunslingers and have turned into metrosexual fops and pajama boys.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: GO3 6/30/2021 1:24:27 PM (No. 831577)
Agree #1. Other than Malcolm being correct in that it is a defeat, the rest of the article is full of popular myth and legend which displays his shallow grasp of history and operations. The biggest example is that while SF played a vital role the heavy lifting was a conventional force built around the Northern Alliance. Equipped with Warsaw Pact stocks, they fought and gained territory and won the initial victory. SF on horseback laser designating their way across the country makes for good PR and interesting statues but ignores the larger picture. Of course, stupidity set in as part of nation building and guess who the first group was which got its weaponry taken away? Right, the Northern Alliance (head banging on the wall). The Pentagon had/has no strategists. The Taliban was a creation of Pakistan's ISI, so who didn't see that Pakistan would be a sanctuary. It's always been a war on a regional scale, and if the military wasn't/isn't up to it, then don't go. Just drops some bombs, wave the flag, and yell, "yay us!" Lastly, the Soviets were winning in Afghanistan until a CIA operative in the NW frontier in Pakistan decided to equip and coordinate the actions of the Mujaheddin. Sub-myth: Stingers weren't decisive; the 120mm mortar was. It seems Malcolm needs to brush up on his military creds.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: DVC 6/30/2021 1:26:04 PM (No. 831579)
The Malcolm Poster is at it again.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: pros7767 6/30/2021 1:51:00 PM (No. 831602)
Here's a hint: We NEVER again sacrifice our blood and treasure of young American lives in another war unless we are willing to commit the full force and effect of our military power, and fight to WIN! That notion was lost after WWII. We NEVER again engage in nation building. You come after us and we destroy you. You can pick up your own pieces as a lesson not to mess with the USA! And to hell with all the political defense contractors who get rich off these wars.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Luandir 6/30/2021 2:10:07 PM (No. 831623)
I agree with #4. The decision not to win this war was made by the Bush administration, when touchy-feely rules of engagement were adopted. To win a war, you must be more violent than your enemy.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: MrDeplorable 6/30/2021 2:23:20 PM (No. 831635)
In a cage match pitting a 21st-Century society against a 9th-Century society, my money was always on the latter, as the Afghans have so dramatically demonstrated. Allahu Fubar, Baby!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: chumley 6/30/2021 3:08:43 PM (No. 831683)
Completely predictable. We havent won a war since 1945 because nobody in power wants to. Sure, we've won a bunch of battles, but never the war. There is far more profit in keeping it going forever.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: JHHolliday 6/30/2021 3:17:08 PM (No. 831690)
Agree with #4. This was also the way Trump viewed things. Don't go to war unless you mean it. Victor Davies Hansen wrote the book 'Culture and Carnage'. The premise is that you win wars by savaging the enemy to such an extent that he no longer has the will to fight and he cites the numerous wars all the way back to the Peloponnesian. We should have used tactical nukes, MOABS, and whatever else to relentlessly destroy the Taliban. There would certainly be Civilian casualties but that goes with winning wars ie Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you don't intend to win then don't send our soldiers into harm's way.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rivetjoint 6/30/2021 6:08:17 PM (No. 831784)
There was a wry suggestion long ago that we should have just put a wall around the whole place and let them sort it out by themselves. Maybe check on them in about fifty years.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: red1066 6/30/2021 7:51:50 PM (No. 831872)
Like every war since WWII, the country went in with no resolve to win it. The soldiers did what they were told to do, but with basically one hand tied behind their backs and with lawyers along for the trip. It was another conflict with the objective to create a democracy where the concept of democracy is completely foreign to a culture created by religious nut jobs.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Come And Take It 6/30/2021 7:55:35 PM (No. 831875)
Its way past time for the US to get out of the nation-building business, and take care of business here at home. Trump put us on that path, and it has been completely reversed in six months by Team Xiden.
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