Dutch Doctors Ask Eldery to Choose:
Ventilation or Let Virus ‘Run Its Course’
Breitbart,
by
James Delingpole
Original Article
Posted By: kreeger,
3/30/2020 12:36:34 PM
Dutch doctors are asking their older patients to choose between either long-term ventilation or letting nature take its course if they become infected with the Chinese coronavirus. Family doctors in the Netherlands are asking all citizens who have passed a certain age to put in writing whether they’d like to be put on a ventilator or not if they become infected, according to a report by Il Giornale — which characterised the latter option as a form of “euthanasia”.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Toledo 3/30/2020 12:38:29 PM (No. 362979)
Don't the Dutch allow infanticide up to one year?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
snapper451 3/30/2020 12:47:20 PM (No. 362991)
Liberal utopia. Can we send some of our infamous liberals over there?
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
curious1 3/30/2020 12:56:51 PM (No. 363002)
Why not give them the Hydroxychloroquine/z-pak/zn treatment and send them home?
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
HotRod 3/30/2020 1:06:51 PM (No. 363016)
If a person is terminal from some other health problem, this might be the best way to go out. It's their choice, on their terms. They are not forced to decide either way.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
hurricanegirl 3/30/2020 1:14:08 PM (No. 363024)
I don't understand what some posters' problems are with this. How is it any different from people in the US signing "do not resuscitate" orders? At least these people are given a chance to decide what they want to do. What I have problem with is when they don't have the opportunity to decide, and some doctor who thinks he's God makes that decision for them.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Plex 3/30/2020 1:27:49 PM (No. 363042)
How about using hydroxychloroquine instead?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DVC 3/30/2020 1:30:25 PM (No. 363044)
Dutch have had legal euthanasia for a while, I'm sure this is just more of their "Die, old people, die" attitude.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
kreeger 3/30/2020 1:34:38 PM (No. 363049)
If it becomes obvious you are not going to make it then that is the time to ask the question. When you sign that document beforehand you might as well be signing your death warrant since the doctors very likely are not even going to try. DNR's are for the scenario when you are brain dead or in coma with you have no hope of surviving without being connect to machines.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
DVC 3/30/2020 1:50:17 PM (No. 363060)
Perhaps some good news, if it holds for a couple more days.
NY state case increase numbers were, from memory 11,500, then 7,500, yesterday 6,500 and today showing 5,800 so far. This apparent slowing of the rate of growth, especially with LOTS more testing being done now, has been the leading indicator that I have been looking for.
If this holds, this means that the disease is not spreading as rapidly. Actually, it means that it wasn't spreading as rapidly about a week ago, since there is the incubation period and reporting lags to consider, as well as time to see the trend developing.
Still only three days.....will the trend hold? Since it is NY, which has about half of all US cases, this is good, but doesn't mean that it is slowing elsewhere, until that state's data shows it.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
DVC 3/30/2020 1:53:52 PM (No. 363063)
Thinking more, IIRC, it was 11500, then 9500, then 7500, then 6500 yesterday, so a four day trend if today holds low at the current 5,800 new cases. Slowing rate of increase, the curve starting to roll over.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Harlowe 3/30/2020 2:25:04 PM (No. 363087)
#5- Having had to make a decision on behalf of a dearly loved 87-year-old family member with one collapsed lung due to a tuberculosis surge in the 1930s and other high-risk health issues, every effort was made to try to do what was in her best interest. After prayers, consultation with other family members, and straightforward conversation with the surgeon at-the-ready to address an emergency abdominal problem, who said her age and medical issues were working against her and she could expire on the operating room, the sad decision was made “to let go and let God.” She was a devout Christian woman and terrified at the prospect of surgery.
While holding her hand as she took her last breath, it was a moving experience to see her open her eyes for the first time in days, look toward the door of the hospice room, see a tremendous smile cross her face, and expel the “breath of life” that was her God-given gift at the time of her birth. An experience never to be forgotten. Her last breath on earth was her first breath in heaven.
Without question, a most difficult decision to make for a loved one, but sometimes it is in their best interest to preclude unnecessary suffering. Not to “play God,” but to use the God-given gift of intellect and devout faith as guides to make some of life’s most serious, meaningful decisions.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Harlowe 3/30/2020 2:25:32 PM (No. 363088)
#8- Respectfully disagree that signing a “Do Not Resuscitate” document is a death warrant and that it does, as intended, apply only when there is no hope for survival. There are no guarantees in life; however, individuals signing such documents place their trust in the Hippocratic Oath taken by physicians. The Greek translation of the Hippocratic Oath includes, “With purity and with HOLINESS I will pass my life and practice my Art.”
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
hurricanegirl 3/30/2020 2:52:38 PM (No. 363117)
The point, #11, is that if you had known in advance what your family member wanted to do in such a situation, YOU wouldn't have had to make the difficult decision at all (but better that a close relative decide than a stranger, such as a doctor playing God).
It seems to me that these Dutch doctors are asking people to decide to choose NOW how they would like to handle this. Again, I'm not sure why this is an issue for some of you--we do this all the time here in the U.S.
As for this being a death warrant--no, not necessarily!
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Wendybird 3/30/2020 3:28:26 PM (No. 363147)
Several posters question if hydroxychloroquin plus an antibiotic has been tried or offered. I don’t see any information about this. Can’t loose by giving it a try, and could be a good, informative test trial. The next few weeks should clarify this issue.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
bad-hair 3/30/2020 3:30:09 PM (No. 363148)
Silly me. I was just planning a vacation to the drug bins in Amsterdam and all the flights got cancelled. Guess I'll have to charter a sail boat. Call up my buddy Greta. She knows how to sail in style.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 3/30/2020 4:38:59 PM (No. 363203)
Maybe the Dutch doctors should offer patients a viewing of Soylent Green before they decide. This is total bull sh.
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I have Dutch genes. I have family living in the Netherlands. One of my cousins was looking for a place to live, a country that did not euthanize the elderly. He ended up in Portugal. This madness in the Netherlands has been going on for many years. Yes infanticide. Yes euthanize old sick people. He was also afraid his children would see to it that medical suggestion would put him to "sleep." So he left. Now Portugal is looking at euthanasia for the elderly. A patient might tell the medical person, No, I want to be put on a respirator. Bet his wishes are ignored. He passed away, peacefully, in Portugal.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Trigger2 3/31/2020 12:43:56 AM (No. 363450)
The Dutch fit right in with demonrat thinking. Even Cuomo during the last panic disease issued instructions on who is going to live and who would be snuffed out. Murder Inc. indeed. I bet he's issued the same orders this time except you won't know about it unless you get to live 15 more years.
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