Analysis: In First Debate, a Shadow War
Between Establishment Reaganism and Insurgent Trumpism
Epoch Times,
by
Nathan Worcester
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
8/27/2023 12:20:05 PM
It's not hard to understand why so many Republicans admire Ronald Reagan.
"The Great Communicator" sparked a conservative revival that fractured the remnants of the left-wing New Deal coalition. As president, he helped end the Soviet Union, winning the Cold War.
Forty-three years after the Reagan Revolution, and eight years after former President Donald J. Trump changed the game again, none of the Republicans who convened for the first presidential primary debate on Aug. 23 repudiated President Reagan. Even President Trump cited a move by President Reagan as precedent for his decision to skip the debate.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Corndoggies 8/27/2023 12:40:46 PM (No. 1543593)
I was a Reaganite before I became a Trumpian. Both are anti big government. I didn’t recognize anything Reaganite from those doofuses on the stage.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
jayjeti 8/27/2023 12:58:51 PM (No. 1543605)
I'm not sure I agree with identifying Reagan as establishment Republican seeing how today some RINO's inhabit the umbrella of establishment Republicans. If conservatism was a gender I would say he's being misgendered. I look at Trump as the most conservative candidate to ever win the Republican nomination since Reagan. All the others, Dole, the Bushes, McCain, and Romney were moderate Republicans.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
plomke 8/27/2023 1:03:17 PM (No. 1543608)
Uhh...no.
What you saw was a clown show on behalf of the Republican side of the UniParty.
We saw through the clowns when Bush the Elder said "read my lips".
We saw through the clowns awhile back,when Bush the Younger called us bigots and racists for wanting a secure border.
We saw through the clowns when Ryan,Boehner,McConnell,McCain,Romney etc sold us out every chance they got.
Reganism died the day Regan left office.
This Republic has been running on fumes for decades...
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
weirdone 8/27/2023 1:41:28 PM (No. 1543640)
When the Soviet Union collapsed, I was of the opinion that the U.S. should embrace the fact that communism had died with it and that the U.S. should help Russia in its transition to a true Democracy. What happened, however, was that Russia was left to its own devices and slowly slipped back into a totalitarian dictatorship. Thank you, George H. W. Bush. Things today would be very different if a little effort had been made to ensure that Russia did not return to its former ways.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
seamusm 8/27/2023 1:45:31 PM (No. 1543648)
Reagan was not an establishment Republican. He was neither a whore for the military industry not Pharma. Most importantly, he recognized that government, the deep state', WAS the problem. He would never have been satisfied with getting along with the Dims.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
thomthomp 8/27/2023 1:56:11 PM (No. 1543661)
Any of the current crowd of Republicans trying to claim the mantle of Reagan are sheep in wolves clothing. I firmly believe if Reagan were here today he would be backing Trump and the American people against the candidates of the Administrative State.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 8/27/2023 1:57:28 PM (No. 1543662)
"Establishment Reaganism" is what gave us George Bush, Sr.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
bpl40 8/27/2023 3:25:07 PM (No. 1543709)
Ronald Reagan would be an America First Trumpist today. His uncanny knack of understanding the need of the hour - well before others, wouls lead him nowhere else.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 8/27/2023 3:44:30 PM (No. 1543730)
Utter nonsense! The Pubbie establishment - - GOPe RINOS - - hated President Reagan.
They were thrilled to euphoria - - when President Reagan's terms were over - - and he was replaced by Super-RINO G.H.W. Bush.
If he could speak to us today - - President Reagan would be an enthusiatic supporter of President Trump.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Italiano 8/27/2023 3:46:56 PM (No. 1543734)
It would have been more appropriate to contrast "Bushism." GOP Reaganism went out the window with 41 and 43, and it's not coming back. A different time, and far more domestic enemies exist now to contend with and destroy.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
thefield 8/27/2023 4:35:46 PM (No. 1543778)
When did Reagan's policies become normal?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 8/27/2023 5:58:37 PM (No. 1543843)
"Establishment Reaganism".....that is a pure, 100% lie. The GOP establishment HATED Reagan, and undid almost everything he did as soon as his CIA VP took over. Wrapping the Uniparty "R" members in a Reagan name is fraud on a massive scale.
Trump and Reagan have very different styles, but would agree on many or even most policy issues of Ron was still around.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
MattMusson1 8/27/2023 7:07:35 PM (No. 1543879)
Establishment Bushism. NOT Reaganism.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
doctorfixit 9/3/2023 5:42:26 AM (No. 1548411)
Reagan expanded the federal government more than any President since LBJ. .The Cold War was a phony CIA construct that enriched US warmongers, that needlessly terrorized generations of young Americans, and that libeled America's greatest WWII ally. The Soviet Union was collapsing and would have done so without the monstrous expansion of Washington DC power that Reagan paid for by surrendering to Irish drunks Tip O'Neill and Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy. Reagan got bragging rights - we got perpetual Open Borders Amnesty. Reagan's War on Drugs empowered the CIA to create chaos in Central America. I'm sorry he was shot by that lunatic, he was never the same afterward. I don't hate him, but the best thing I can say about Reagan is that liberals hated his guts. If Reagan is conservative, count me out.
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doctorfixit 9/3/2023 5:48:20 AM (No. 1548414)
Oh, yeah. I forgot about the putrid Sandra Day O'Screwball and Anthony (Aisle Reacher-Acrosser) Kennedy. Robert Bork? Reagan couldn't be bothered sticking up for a great man.
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I usually pass over anything marked Analysis. But this one sounded quite different. And it is. I skimmed it and will reread it more carefully. His belief that many of those on the debate stage are stuck in Reaganism, which was right for its time in the ‘80s but is not right for now. Our country has substantially changed. A really provocative read for our reader/thinkers.