What Would a ‘Legitimate’ Biden Victory
Look Like to Republicans?
New York Magazine,
by
Ed Kilgore
Original Article
Posted By: rememberwhen,
8/4/2023 5:35:50 PM
Now that Donald Trump has been indicted for using lies about the 2020 presidential election to seek to overturn its results, it’s become a matter of grave national concern that big majorities of Republicans apparently don’t think he was lying at all. A new CNN survey shows that 69 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents do not believe “Joe Biden legitimately won enough votes to win the presidency” in 2020. It’s worth asking what if anything might have convinced them to believe Biden’s win was legitimate, if only to establish what could happen differently in 2024 to avoid another contested Democratic win — if not an attack on the Capitol.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
marbles 8/4/2023 5:43:46 PM (No. 1527493)
That first sentence is a doozy. The entire article,a foaming at the mouth rant.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
dwa 8/4/2023 5:51:37 PM (No. 1527499)
Kilgore is really an idiot, or is dishonest, or is so partisan that he can't comprehend the truth -- or all of the above. What it would take for Republicans to see 2020 as valid would have been for no data dump at one time after closing down counting for a time in many states, no dishonesty in democrat cities with democrat controlled county centers where Republican poll watchers were denied the right to watch the process of votes being counted; where after the fact investigations of voting machines and their connection to the internet didn't expose significant data manipulation etc etc etc. Kilgore is just pushing democrat talking points -- and lies.
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Herel are a few suggestions:
Purge all voting rolls of people who have moved, died, been imprisoned, are non-citizens, or are otherwise ineligible to vote.
Require voters to present at the polls an official photo ID to prove they are who they claim to be.
Eliminate vote harvesting.
Eliminate drop boxes for ballot collection.
Eliminate absentee voting except for legitmate reasons that have been verified.
Eliminate any voting machines that do not use a paper ballot input (i.e. no more touch screen voting that cannot be effectively audited.
Disqualify any ballots that mysteriously appear long after the polls have closed.
Restore election tabulation practices that have historically produced a winner within 24 hours after the polls close.
Then the American people can have more faith in their elections. Let's forget about all the changes the Left made using the COVID panic as a cover and an excuse.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
DVC 8/4/2023 5:58:58 PM (No. 1527505)
Insanity on parade.
Kilgore is a nutcase, but then again.....Leftism is a serious mental disorder isn't just a silly saying, but a hard fact. Some are farther down the road from reality than others.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
bpl40 8/4/2023 6:36:58 PM (No. 1527528)
What will convince us? Trump himself has given the three point formula
1. In person one day voting
2. Paper ballots
3. Voter IDs
Not a single Democrat will be elected. THEN we will know.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
LadyVet 8/4/2023 6:45:55 PM (No. 1527535)
ALL ballots have to be in on election day. No more ballots coming in when results are already known. There must be a definitive cut-off point. No ballots "found" after the vote count has been announced will be added to the total.
No more vote by mail. The Post Office cannot control their mail deliveries and have already started warning people in some places to not mail checks for paying bills. If you cannot trust them to mail a check, you cannot trust them to mail a ballot.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
red1066 8/4/2023 7:28:01 PM (No. 1527550)
All the cases of fraud were dismissed before evidence could be collected and presented and before the election was certified by Pence. The amount of evidence of fraud has only grown since 2020.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Hermit_Crab 8/4/2023 10:48:11 PM (No. 1527608)
It wouldn't look like anything, because it does not, could not, exist except in the fevered imaginations of people unbound by any vestige of Reality. As well ask someone who has never read and had nightmares of Lovecraftian tales, what Cthulhu looks like.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
smokincol 8/4/2023 11:17:58 PM (No. 1527615)
a work of fiction???
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Catherine 8/4/2023 11:49:30 PM (No. 1527626)
Well, if he'd won before the end of the voting day that would have helped. But a supposed 41 Million votes, found in the middle of the night and ALL for Biden, no, not possible.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 8/4/2023 11:57:12 PM (No. 1527630)
What Would a ‘Legitimate’ Biden Victory Look Like to Republicans? Remember Davey Crockett? Shot him a bear when he was only three? Biden victory would look like what little Davey Crockett stepped in right after he shot that bear.
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A QUESTION; Re: "Worse yet, there are Republicans (some of them call themselves “constitutional conservatives”) who think their preferred governing policies (e.g., free markets, low taxes, gun rights and fetal rights) came down on stone tablets from the Founders as guided by God Almighty, and should not be subject to modification by mere voters. This deeply anti-democratic strain of thinking (in that case as applied to the “right” to buy, sell and own slaves) is precisely what produced secession and then Civil War in the nineteenth century."
Does this writer seem to imply that it was the Republicans who wanted "the “right” to buy, sell and own slaves)? What drivele!!
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
JimBob 8/5/2023 4:29:50 AM (No. 1527661)
#3's list is a good starting point.
I would suggest adding:
-Having the paper ballot vote counting to be clearly visible to observers from all candidates. No more covering up the windows and counting votes in secret.
-No more vote totals transferred strictly by computers, either online or via memory stick. Announce and post the vote totals at each polling place, and openly transfer and post the totals at each point in the accumulation process, so that the whole process can be clearly observed by all interested parties.
-Have a durable written record of the complete chain of custody, so that the vote numbers can be checked by all interested parties, from beginning to end.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
5 handicap 8/5/2023 6:01:05 AM (No. 1527688)
FTA: "What Would a ‘Legitimate’ Biden Victory Look Like to Republicans?"
What an imbecile? Any senate human being knows that is not possible! Kinda like surviving a nuclear blast from point zero!
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
5 handicap 8/5/2023 6:34:48 AM (No. 1527696)
Previous post: Damned auto correct: should read sentient Human being
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
jayjeti 8/5/2023 8:09:40 AM (No. 1527740)
There is no such thing as the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, or a ‘Legitimate’ Biden Victory.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Strike3 8/5/2023 8:34:32 AM (No. 1527763)
A legitimate Biden victory would mean that America had gone insane and it's time to build that starship.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Urgent Fury 8/5/2023 10:44:09 AM (No. 1527881)
Like Bigfoot or a unicorn.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Krause 8/5/2023 11:41:58 AM (No. 1527948)
New York Magazine went to all the places where it's said there looked like they were a lot of irregularities. They didn't find any irregularities. So that's that.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
judy 8/5/2023 7:04:20 PM (No. 1528231)
Sorry…. Biden & Legit do Not belong in the same sentence!! NY magazine…someone must be Very Bored!
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What a bunch of unmitigated leftist claptrap! Among other Dim talking points, Kilgore recites the oft-repeated lie that "the many anecdote-based allegations of fraudulent voting and vote-counting that were uniformly exploded by the federal and state judges." In fact, not one of those cases made such a determination. All were dismissed on procedural grounds.