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On the Edge of an Abyss

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Posted By: sagman, 7/16/2023 9:17:23 PM

The supporters of former President Trump are absolutely correct about one thing. If every single Republican pledged their allegiance to him and fell in line he’d win the nomination easily. But he’d also lose the general election, again. He does not receive enough support from outside the traditional Republican and MAGA base to win in 2024. Hillary Clinton beat Trump by roughly 3 million in the popular vote in 2016. While Trump indeed did win the election by taking the required 270 electoral votes, just a few thousand votes in each of the key swing states would have changed that outcome into a Hillary Clinton landslide victory in 2016.

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Some of you will hate my guts for posting this; many will stop reading after a few sentences. But what the author says about Trump in the general has concerned me for some time. It doesn't matter why so many predisposed to vote for any Republican will stay home if Trump is on the ticket. It's beyond anecdotal. And it's worth worrying about.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin 7/16/2023 9:20:00 PM (No. 1514262)
The Republicans will win fewer and fewer elections as the Democrat extensive fraud machine gets deeper and deeper into the States and Local elections. Nothing has been fixed from 2020.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: SALady 7/16/2023 9:29:03 PM (No. 1514266)
Sorry, but this is exactly the same rhetoric we heard over and over again in 2016. Trump can't win the Republican primaries. Trump can't beat Hillary. Blah, blah, blah!!! It was BS then, and it is BS now!!!! I voted for Trump in 2016, as the far lesser of two evils. I was never so happy to be wrong as I was, as Trump turned out to be the best president since Ronald Reagan. Except for the Demon-Rat mastery of election theft in 2020, Trump would be over half-way through with his second term in office. So I can say, without hesitation, that I will crawl naked over broken glass and AIDS-infected needles with Oprah Winfrey tied to my back to vote for Donald Trump in 2024!!!!!!!
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Italiano 7/16/2023 9:40:01 PM (No. 1514271)
I wish that it wasn’t (weren’t?) so, but I’m afraid that it just might be. Trump was and is America’s last hope. After him, forget it. Even if he wins, it’s just a band aid on the malignant tumor that is 2023 America.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: smokincol 7/16/2023 9:40:19 PM (No. 1514272)
as the first sentence of this entry is quite right, it should be preluded by an advisory clarification stating that all that follows in this entry should only be considered as a great possibility ONLY IF THERE IS AN HONEST AND TRUSTED ELECTION IN 2024. the demcommies will not allow our President to rise to the office, again, and, as we are all very well aware, they will construct an election so fraudulent and invalid to keep joebiden in office that, even with all of the illegalities and false and fraudulent votes, the press will accede and do what they did in 2020 we have to be very, very careful and not allow this to happen and to add to that we must have a large majority in House and a non-RINO Senate with the expulsion of Hong Kong McConnell - only then will our country be brought back from the edge of blackness and into the light of decency, again.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: seamusm 7/16/2023 9:46:04 PM (No. 1514276)
Our problem is that while Trump is our best hope for '24, he is also his worst enemy. I don't know if inflation and a recession will be enough to pull voters Trump's way. But it won't matter if we don't mobilize to ensure election integrity.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Kate318 7/16/2023 9:56:48 PM (No. 1514281)
I have no patience for analyses that are based on Trump having lost the 2020 election, and all the political pretzel-twisting, demographic BS that goes with it. All those groups that pundits and columnists say he needs to win but can’t are all groups he won in 2020…massively.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: chumley 7/16/2023 10:41:37 PM (No. 1514284)
Its a little early, but the pre election admonishments are here again. We have to vote for the squishy, limp wristed sellout so the democrats will like him, or we might lose. BS. Vote like its you making the decision all by yourself. No more second guessing; no more sneaky strategies. Thats the only way we may avoid the uniparty globalist cabal that had taxed you out of existence and wiped its keester with the Constitution. How would McCain or Romney have been any better than Zero? Keep doing what you did and you'll always get what you got.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: rememberwhen 7/16/2023 10:50:44 PM (No. 1514287)
Sorry, but Trump got the most votes for president of any candidate in history in 2020. He "lost" only because of massive fraud. To say he can't get enough votes to win is disingenuous or accepting Demonrat talking points uncritically. Joe Biden couldn't have beat any sentient being in an honest election.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: YorkieMom 7/16/2023 10:59:20 PM (No. 1514289)
I want to thank you, OP, and I totally agree with you. I’m a realist, and I know, just because Trump is the favorite here, he doesn’t have enough voters elsewhere to beat Biden or any other democrat. Rallies with huge crowds and being way ahead in the Republican nominee polling won’t be enough to get him the presidential win. It makes me sad because our country will end up even worse with any other democrat president. If you disagree with me, fine, but please tell me how you think he can get those independent votes. I’ve felt this way since the red wave disappeared.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Mass Minority 7/16/2023 11:08:38 PM (No. 1514291)
Two points. First Trump increased republican support in all of those demographics so often cited as his achilles heel. If Trump cannot win due to demographics than no republican will ever win again because they will underperform Trump in all those essential "demographics" Second. Who actually cares what this popular vote thing is? Both Clinton and Biden ran up the popular vote score in the deepest of the deep blue states. Hillarys entire 3 million vote popular vote margin came from one state, California, a state that instituted a jungle primary system in that election cycle that kept republicans off the ballot for any meaningful national office. Why would republicans turn out to cast ballots for opposition candidates. The presidential vote was already known. It was California. Had the popular vote mattered Trump would have campaigned differently and republicans with no viable congressional candidates to vote for in states like New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California would have had a reason not to stay home. If you're going to do political analysis you should at least have a passing aquantace with our electoral system and a minimal understanding of voter behaviour.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: DanvilleBill 7/16/2023 11:17:16 PM (No. 1514298)
Thanks for posting this, Steve. Hopefully most here will read and understand the reality we are facing. But I doubt it.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rama41 7/16/2023 11:19:33 PM (No. 1514300)
The article is on point. Every time Trump knocks RINO, he loses more Republicans, independents, and persuadable Democrats, all of which are absolutely necessary for any hope of victory. And that's not to mention that, of all the Republican primary candidates, his highest unfavorability rating just motivates more Democrats to vote against him.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: jimincalif 7/16/2023 11:37:06 PM (No. 1514306)
Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, fomented by nearly 8 years of non-stop assault by the deep state, feeding the media their lies. I don’t like it, it’s not fair, it’s not right, but none of that matters. The deep state won’t let Trump take office again, no matter what the. One count is. They might not actually let any Republican take office for that matter unless he’s a squish like Pence. Even if Trump were to win again, he’s just one man. The deep state, courts and RINOs will sabotage his agenda from within. I don’t know that there is any fixing this at the ballot box. Our government actively works against the citizens of the USA. To quote the Declaration - “ That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, …”.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: ronniethek 7/17/2023 12:36:32 AM (No. 1514311)
The person who wrote this is totally off base. None of the other Republic candidates have the slightest chance to win because they stand for nothing but whatever the political c!ass and globalists want. WE NEED TRUMP.PERIOD. FULL STOP.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Citoyen 7/17/2023 12:52:32 AM (No. 1514313)
Thanks OP for posting. I would love to see Donald Trump inaugurated in 2025. I know that the country would benefit mightily if he became president again. I, like the writer, fear that the hatred directed at Trump nonstop after he announced in 2015 has taken its toll. The vast majority of the country still get its information from the corrupt, Democrat aligned media and have absorbed the anti-Trump propaganda. He is hated by so many people it is hard to believe he can win. I'm not as pessimistic as the writer. I think there is still plenty of time to move on to Trump 2.0 and regaine the voters he lost in 2020 and bring in new voters. As of yet I haven't seen any evidence that he is trying to appeal to voters who could be swayed in his favor. It doesn't matter one whit that he can pack a stadium. It doesn't matter one whit that he received the most votes of any Republican. He has the Republican base wholehearted on his side. There are not enough of us to put him over the top. Now is the time to reach out and get the votes from the mushy middle in the swing states. No more talk of stolen elections. No more griping about the unjust persecution he has received and is receiving. The mushy middle doesn't care about these things. He has a great record on which to run. He does know what to do to get this country back on track. He needs to shed the past and embrace the future. Otherwise the author of this article will be proven right.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Bogasso 7/17/2023 12:52:42 AM (No. 1514314)
The choice is clear then: nominate Trump and lose to The Democrat or nominate a RINO and lose either way. It was never about Trump to me, it was about the response, which in some cases surprised me, from the “good guys” in the GOP to an interloper who actually attempted to do things Republican candidates had espoused for years. Reduce regulation, achieve energy independence, enforce immigration, protect the constitution, thwart radical liberals. It made me realize who and what most of the GOP really stands for; not me (a conservative) and not the US Constitution. None of those things are “their concern”, as we’ve heard admitted recently. This abyss they’re warning us about, won’t affect them. Their club, which isn’t really a big one, is still one none of us are in. I’m not going to hold my nose and vote for someone who holds contempt for me, yet panders “patriotic” ever again.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: 49 Ford 7/17/2023 12:53:33 AM (No. 1514315)
Those who cite the (honest) 2020 results as a template for 2024 are making the mistake of fighting the last war. Nothing ever stays the same in politics. And if all of the candidates not named Trump are hopeless, limp-wristed RINO squishes, then what does that say for the GOP and its ability to govern under any circumstances? If only one man stands between us and national dissolution then we might as well forget the election, stock up on survival kits and flee to the woods.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: ChattyCatsSusan 7/17/2023 1:03:24 AM (No. 1514323)
I love the tenacity and strength of will of #2. I guess the author of this piece forgets that the media fretted big time about how so many of their voter base was turning to Trump. Democrat criminal behavior stole the election this last time and the democrats will try again.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: FormerDem 7/17/2023 1:57:27 AM (No. 1514344)
The Democrat Party is trying to herd us, one way and another. Cheating, fake polls, and saying the same thing over and over. There is no future what so ever in accepting that guidance. Trump 2024.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Lawsy0 7/17/2023 1:57:36 AM (No. 1514345)
Does that mean the writer thinks Trump should go after the dark and dirty foreign money? Maybe that means the DNC is already planning their theft.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Strike3 7/17/2023 2:17:37 AM (No. 1514350)
All that this suggests is there was massive cheating for Clinton as well as Biden only Americans found it hard to believe that such massive cheating could take place in a country like this. What does D.W. stand for, Dimwit?
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Reply 22 - Posted by: 49 Ford 7/17/2023 4:18:20 AM (No. 1514362)
Very well said, # 15. Excellent summary of the Trump dilemma.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: mifla 7/17/2023 4:55:37 AM (No. 1514370)
The country is a mess and many people who voted for Biden are in financial trouble and don't like the direction the county is heading in. Have to believe that the Independents and some of the more sane Dems are going to change their vote in 2024. I have never understood why people hate Trump so much while the politicians in DC use and abuse us every day.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: lftrn97 7/17/2023 7:56:17 AM (No. 1514454)
Sorry Mr. Wilbur, I'll vote for the best candidate.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: minuteman 7/17/2023 9:08:35 AM (No. 1514511)
Anyone who is arguing from the position that 2020 was a fair election is delusional in my opinion.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: red1066 7/17/2023 9:17:54 AM (No. 1514527)
Just run commercials with the prices of everything in 2020 as compared to now and video of Biteme looking like a deer in the headlights along with him getting lost on stage. Tie all of it to the demoslut party with the names of every demoslut that voted for this. Even dimwitted soccer moms who don't like Trump because he's mean will get the message.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: udanja99 7/17/2023 9:54:00 AM (No. 1514551)
#23, people hate Trump for two reasons - he ran as a Republican and mostly because he denied Hillary her coronation. Bottom line - if you vote based on personality rather than issues and results, you’re an idiot.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: beancounter 7/17/2023 11:08:47 AM (No. 1514592)
I agree with #23. I think some of the Trump hate is dissipating. Aside from the 50% of die-hard Democrats, everyone can see the Biden administration is a disaster. They can also see that many of the conspiracy theories have turned out to be true. The era of the Bob Dole/ John McCain/ Mitt Romney GOP is coming to an end. All they have left is Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham. In the same way, the era of the moderate Democrats ended 30 years ago. I don't remember this much ranting about the behavior of the Clintons or Obama or Nancy Pelosi. Practically no one told Democrats they had to stick with someone like Joe Lieberman
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Posted by Dreadnought 9/15/2023 12:46:25 AM Post Reply
A union representing nearly 150,000 autoworkers launched a strike early Friday morning against the Big 3 U.S. automakers -- General Motors, Ford and Stellantis. The United Auto Workers, or UAW, and the car manufacturers failed to reach a contract agreement before a deadline set by the union for Thursday at 11:59 p.m. ET. Less than two hours before the deadline, UAW president Shawn Fain announced the plants where union members would strike if a tentative agreement wasn't reached in time. By midnight Friday, that amounted to approximately 12,700 union workers, including ones at GM in Wentzville, Missouri; Stellantis in Toledo, Ohio; and Ford’s Wayne, Michigan plant.
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