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Posted By: Hazymac, 2/25/2023 10:01:16 AM

Earlier this week, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) cut ties with Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church. The influential Southern California-based congregation had been part of the SBC since its founding, but the denomination dismissed Saddleback over a decision that founding pastor Warren made shortly before he retired. In 2021, Warren ordained three women as pastors, which caused the SBC to consider disciplining the church or kicking it out of the denomination. One of those women, Stacie Wood, the wife of lead pastor Andy Wood, is a “teaching pastor.” On Tuesday, the SBC Executive Committee deemed Saddleback



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Reply 1 - Posted by: Italiano 2/25/2023 10:15:52 AM (No. 1411483)
Obama will be so disappointed. Rick Warren was his favorite Christian.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: GoodDeal 2/25/2023 10:19:21 AM (No. 1411491)
I’m surprised Saddleback doesn’t still have priests that members bring lambs bulls goats pigeons and turtle doves to for Sacrifice to God to be killed, blood sprinkled on the altar and burned in the fire as a sweet aroma to the Lord for their sins to be forgiven. Unclean women are to be kept separate.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: FLCracker 2/25/2023 10:26:32 AM (No. 1411495)
"The influential Southern California-based congregation had been part of the SBC since its founding..." I think that means since the church was founded, not the convention. And this is just how Baptist churches work, on a larger scale.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Italiano 2/25/2023 10:30:52 AM (No. 1411499)
Somebody needs to read up on OT Mosaic Law vs. the New Covenant. Paul makes it very clear.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: bad-hair 2/25/2023 11:14:28 AM (No. 1411549)
Trying their best to be Catholic. Will be a big fight for pope.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Ketchuplover 2/25/2023 11:38:42 AM (No. 1411573)
I'm not a Baptist, and not a member of the RW Cult, but I certainly support this decision, which is indeed, based on Scripture.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici 2/25/2023 11:42:03 AM (No. 1411580)
#5, I do not understand your comment. The SBC has a long history of "disfellowshiping" congregations which fail to remain faithful to doctrine as agreed upon by the larger body. For that matter, I am not sure if you are suggesting that Christian groups should rejoin the Catholic Church, or if they should accept fellowship with congregations that teach things which are contrary to their understanding of what it means to be a Christian.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Harlowe 2/25/2023 12:13:49 PM (No. 1411614)
Scripture is the inerrant Word of God. (2 Timothy 3:16) Scripture prohibits women from becoming pastors. (1 Corinthians 14:33-34, 37) People of faith accept God’s gifts has He gives it, in the form He gives it. Implying that Galatians 3:26 permits women to become pastors is erroneous; the verse teaches the equality of SALVATION—all Christians are equally sinful and equally saved by the work of God through Jesus Christ. Scripture teaches that men and women were created as two distinct and special creations with different responsibilities and duties. Men have the “divine obligation to be the spiritual leaders of the church. Women are called to be of assistance to men in this capacity.” Why God prohibits women from serving as pastors in the church is a question that must be left to God for an answer. People of faith honor and respect God’s will. St. Paul went out of his way to explicitly declare that this is a “command of the Lord.” St. Peter made clear that “no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)
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Reply 9 - Posted by: ChattyCatsSusan 2/25/2023 12:30:24 PM (No. 1411637)
The SBC is right. The apostle Paul said women should stay silent in the church, as they were not meant to be teaching men. I as a woman agree. Women are best placed to mentor the younger generations of women, helping them to achieve their true destinies. Anytime a church allows women in the pulpit, you can mark the slide into worldly corruption. Right now, that is one of the biggest problems for the UK. They have women in the pulpit, and big problems filling their pews.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Hazymac 2/25/2023 12:38:55 PM (No. 1411644)
Rick, perish in hell.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: bad-hair 2/25/2023 1:11:52 PM (No. 1411686)
# 7 my comment is simply here's to Pope Joel Osteen the First. Don't you people have something better to do on a Sunday morning ?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 2/25/2023 1:53:11 PM (No. 1411719)
Unlike the Catholic church that is controlled by the Pope, or the Methodist church that sends pastors to their churches from a national headquarters....each SBC church is autonomous. They don't answer to anyone out side of their church. They call their own pastors, based on interviews by church members. They set their own budget and decide how much to send to the national headquarters. They usually send money in order to work together on things like missions and seminaries. They take on the SBC name voluntarily. If they donate a minimal amount, regardless of size each church can send up to twelve messengers to the annual convention to vote on issues affecting the churches. If they choose to do something from a very short list of things, the SBC convention can request that they not be affiliated, which means they are not welcome to send twelve messengers and should not say they are a SBC church. For example, ordaining a gay pastor would bring this response. (There are many other churches that people can choose from if they are looking for a gay female pastor.) There are many women who are on staff at SBC churches, but they are not ordained as "pastors". This is based on the Biblical requirements of pastors in I Timothy 3:1-7. There are some liberal SBC churches that ordain women deacons, but not many. Based on the list in I Timothy 3:8-13) My guess is that Saddleback is so well known that it reflected on the entire denomination when they made the very open choice to ordain women as pastors.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: JHHolliday 2/25/2023 3:03:19 PM (No. 1411760)
We Methodists are about to split (it's actually in progress now). It's a shame but it was brought on by leftists bishops pursuing gay marriage and ordination of gay pastors. The left simply cannot help being divisive and ruining everything they touch. Instead of allowing us to continue to adhere to the Wesleyan Protocol and Covenant and leaving well enough alone, it was their way or the highway and we are taking the highway. The split will cause needless anger and divisiveness not to mention financial hardship to both sides.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: msjena 2/25/2023 3:46:09 PM (No. 1411779)
The issue is simple. The Bible says that pastors should be men. If the Bible is the sole authority, women cannot be pastors. Churches who deviate from scripture are on a slippery slope that leads to gay pastors, approving gay marriage, condoning sex outside of marriage and abortion. Mainline Protestant churches like the Presbyterian USA are already there.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: jayjeti 2/25/2023 7:48:25 PM (No. 1411889)
It's stupid to expel the church over ordaining women. The scriptures are misunderstood. In 1 Tim. 2 where Paul said for the women to stop usurping authority over the men and be silent in the churches he was addressing women who had been involved in the mystery cults, like Diana, where only women had positions of authority, were attempting to bring that into the church at Ephesus, because in that passage Paul addresses the cult of Eve that these women used to proclaim superior secret knowledge, saying Adam was first not Eve, and Eve was deceived.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: anniebc 2/25/2023 9:31:28 PM (No. 1411950)
That's a positive.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Harlowe 2/26/2023 12:37:32 AM (No. 1412020)
#15~ “It's stupid to expel the church over ordaining women. The scriptures are misunderstood.” / Being dismissive of God’s teachings/commands in Scripture may be perilously close to blasphemy by some standards. Picking and choosing passages from Scripture attempting to lend credence to an issue while disregarding the totality of Scripture on such an issue may lead to misunderstanding and/or twisting the true meaning of what is written in Scripture. Scripture interprets Scripture. Women are forbidden from being ordained as pastors/priests: Exodus 23:1 ~ 1 Corinthians 14:34 ~ 1 Timothy 2:11-12.
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