One glorious day in Sevastopol
12 years ago, I saw what was coming. That's
why I won't join this carnival of hypocrisy
Daily Mail on Sunday,
by
Peter Hitchens
Original Article
Posted By: Zarin,
3/6/2022 6:26:31 AM
In the long-ago summer of 2010, I found myself in the beautiful harbour of Sevastopol, surveying the rival fleets of Russia and Ukraine as they rode at anchor in the lovely Crimean sunshine. One great fortress was adorned with banners proclaiming 'Glory to the Ukrainian Navy!' Another frowning bastion across the water bore the words 'Glory to the Russian Navy!' (skip) In a country crammed with Russians, they were trying to make Russian a second-class language. Russians who had lived there happily for decades were pressured to take Ukrainian citizenship and adopt Ukrainian versions of their Christian names. CORRECTION*
*Author removed from headline per site style.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
F15 Gork 3/6/2022 6:43:34 AM (No. 1091365)
One wonders what the truth is in this whole mess and where you might go to find it.....I suspect it’s not in a basement in Delaware.
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please watch this documentary made by Oliver Stone in 2016. Every American should view this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Daisymay 3/6/2022 7:35:28 AM (No. 1091406)
Personally, I think this War is a Wag the Dog for Biden. He desperately needs something, anything, to take American minds off of his dismal year of Destruction of our Country. Why else would he allow his Buddy to keep his Oil flowing? If Biden really wanted to Sanction Russia he would stop American money from funding Putin's war. I think we should keep our eye on the Ball and concentrate on winning Both houses in the Mid-Terms so we can cut off Biden's Agenda at the Knees! Let Russia and the Ukrainians fight it out and keep our noses out of it!
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
udanja99 3/6/2022 7:50:12 AM (No. 1091426)
Does the Ukrainian treatment of the Russians who live in their country sound familiar? It should - it is precisely what the American left is and has been doing to American patriots for years.
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Skinnydip 3/6/2022 8:09:32 AM (No. 1091445)
Exactly, #3. What happened to the non-stop live coverage of the southern border? It's as if all the illegal aliens decided to just stay in home.
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spacer 3/6/2022 8:23:08 AM (No. 1091457)
Can't remember witch crook was at the top in Ukraine when the Navys were playing footsies. Don't care. A couple of truths...President Trump had the bear at bay with what ever ploy....with biden and his cabal traitors calling the shots Vlad of Russia attacked a sovereign nation and killed hundreds of it citizens. In a sane world Vlad of Russia would be called an attacker and slayer of innocents. How to stop the madness on both sides of the ball? With the actors on stage now I don't think it is possible.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
montwoodcliff 3/6/2022 8:43:27 AM (No. 1091480)
Nobody has sat down with Putin and asked him what he wants. But from what I read, he doesn’t want NATO countries on Russia's border because he views it as a threat. He has to live with what is already in place, but he drew the line at the Ukraine. Stop the NATO and EU membership talk and see what he says. I think Putin will listen because Russia can’t afford a large war and right now his oligarch buddies are rightly ticked off and want this over with so they can get back to their dachas and mistresses. This is bad for business. The problem is that since Trump left, there are no adults in the Biden gang who know how to negotiate.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Judy W. 3/6/2022 8:45:10 AM (No. 1091481)
This is a hugely intelligent and informative piece. Zelensky is no boy scout hero, and the Ukrainians have been as oppressive to their Russian population as Russia has been to their minorities. I am suspicious of the propaganda offensive, which is supported by Soros, the World Economic Council, the mainstream media, and almost every leftist in the western world. He ends the piece with these two paragraphs:
"I would like to end with two quotations. The first is from the American Civil War General William Tecumseh Sherman who said: 'I am sick and tired of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.'
"The other is from the 'Benedictus' in the Church of England's 1662 Book of Common Prayer, which asks God 'to give light to them that sit in darkness, and in the shadow of death, and to guide our feet into the way of peace', which I fervently pray, for I am not sure that anything else will now do any good."
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
FormerDem 3/6/2022 8:50:21 AM (No. 1091486)
Hitchens like others is giving himself a pass by reframing the question as whether Ukraine is innocent when the question is whether we may stand by while they are the object of bombing. The equivalent of standing by for a rape and strangulation because she was wearing a short skirt and insulting him, while he is quoting Scripture while he does it and also keeps saying he is just about to stop when you can see he has the weapons ready. Is what you are doing.
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Putin is cleaning out the US political rot that our own congress has no will to stop. I have no problems with him doing that. What on earth does the media and the politicians screaming about this think would happen with all the corruption from Biden, Pelosi, and many other members of congress? They built this problem, it is not up to the military to protect their ATM machine.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
MDConservative 3/6/2022 9:59:01 AM (No. 1091554)
FTA: "'Are the Anglosphere nations right to treat Russia as a perpetual threat and pariah long after its global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away? Its regime is miserable. But then so is that of China, with which we seek good relations.' You see, I have been making this point for a very long time. But it never seems to do any good. In fact, I am accused of being a 'Russian shill' or even a traitor, of parroting Russian propaganda, or things of that kind."
I know that feeling, Hitch. We are mentally wedded to an outdated, dangerous alliance in NATO, which effectively hangs the defense of Europe around the neck of Americans. Since the end of the Cold War it has been aimless. The effete Euros have no fear of the Russian Bear if their defense spending is an indication. It's all okay because the US holds that defense umbrella for them, at our expense and danger of involvement in places like Ukraine.
Our first liberal President George Washington said 220 years ago to avoid permanent alliances and avoid foreign intrigues. What are NATO and Ukraine? Let's restore our own democracy first.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
red1066 3/6/2022 10:09:21 AM (No. 1091564)
I'm left with the question of, What's in it for me?" What exactly does the average American get out of this? As far as I can see, it's higher gas prices and food prices, and for what? It appears it's a way to divert the attention away from an illegal administration that seems hell bent on destroying the U.S.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Geoman 3/6/2022 10:22:09 AM (No. 1091588)
If Putin is doing Biden's bidding, then why do so many seem to be siding with Russia?
FTA: "I remember, that boiling hot, almost silent afternoon, enjoying a Russian beer there, while listening to music from a Russian station on the radio. I wrote rather vaguely at the time that the people of Crimea and Donbas were hoping for – and expecting – a Russian future."
Are the people of the Rio Grande Valley of Texas hoping for - and expecting - a Mexican future? Texans also enjoy a cold Corona or Dos Equis on a boiling hot afternoon and if you do not listen to Sirius radio, then finding non-Spanish-speaking radio channels has become a challenge, even hundreds of miles away from the border. Do the corrupt within the Ukrainian government have anything on the Clintons, Obama, Pelosi, Waters, the Squad, and other democrat identity groups aided by RINOS who profess to be conservative Americans? Should we just cede Texas back to Mexico, who claimed it after they ran off the Spanish but never "owned" it by settling the vast area north of the Rio Grande and South of the Red? Mexicans in Texas were fearful of the native Indians, like the Comanche, who would steal their children and livestock or the Karankawa, who would often put them in pots to cook and eat them. Mexico invited in American settlers, who had no representation in Mexico City but were able to organize and create the Republic of Texas, which later was admitted to the U.S. There are thousands on both sides of the border who want Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California back as part of Mexico. If Mexico sent in their cartel-infiltrated army to take Texas by force and if Biden failed to send US troops to defend Texas, would the same people supporting Russia also support Mexico? The democrats would love this because it would save them from the uphill battle in turning Texas blue politically.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
MrDeplorable 3/6/2022 10:32:18 AM (No. 1091603)
#4, perceptive, succinct and compelling. Thank you. You said it all.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 3/6/2022 1:27:06 PM (No. 1091807)
I never trust Hitchens. Consider the source.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
DVC 3/6/2022 4:50:30 PM (No. 1091922)
Re #4, you miss the point that the reason that these Russians are in Ukraine is that the Ukrainians who had owned and farmed that land for many centuries were rounded up by Stalin and starved to death and deported to the middle of nowhere in Siberia to die because they resisted going to his collective farms....so he murdered millions of them. But the NYT at that time sent reporters to tell us that it wasn't happening. Same kind of propaganda today, and so many buying it.
And Stalin brought in compliant Russian peasants to replace the Ikrainian kulaks, prosperous upper middle class people, so that he could control it. People in Ukraine still remember that these Russians are usurpers, foregners installed within living memory to replace murdered Ukrainans. They are NOT any kind or Ukrainian patriots being oppressed. They are a treasonous fifth column to Ukranians, loyal to Mother Russia, exactly as Stalin intended.
Your analogy is extremely wrong.
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