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Yes, Tucker, There Is a US Security Interest
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Posted By: Judy W., 2/25/2022 8:25:43 AM

In an ideal world, maybe we could ignore what's happening in Ukraine but we have to see the world as it is, not how we want it to be: Russia is calling and wants its Ukraine back. I generally appreciate Tucker Carlson, but every time he discusses Ukraine and Russia, I bristle — especially when he contends that America has no interest in Ukraine. I know some of you might agree with Carlson, but you can be a solid conservative who is just as war-weary as the next guy and still see a security interest in Ukraine without being a neocon.


I'm going against what seems to be the grain, but I think the author has some good points. The problem is, what can we do about it? She points out things here that would make it difficult to respond effectively, including a gutted military with few young people capable of serving even if they wanted to, economic weakness, and more. I'll add the near-total incompetence of the Biden administration, and Biden's ties to China, which supports Russia. In a recent interview Trump told a reporter that he told Putin in person that if Russia invaded Ukraine he would bomb Moscow. And Putin did not invade; he waited for the next weakling president.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: IowaDad 2/25/2022 8:41:58 AM (No. 1082287)
The tragedy is that we did not invite Russia to join NATO at any time 2000 to 2013.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Northcross 2/25/2022 8:46:18 AM (No. 1082297)
For Carlson to say we have no strategic interest in Ukraine is absurd. It is the breadbasket of Europe, and has massive mineral deposits that are essential to modern technology. Not to mention that a country's freedom is always in our best strategic interest.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: PageTurner 2/25/2022 8:47:21 AM (No. 1082299)
Quick! Get General Milley on the case! I must say, I don't find her arguments entirely persuasive. Energy independence would do a lot more to stuff Putin than either sanctions or sending in the troops. And yes, I agree with #1 that Putin should have been allowed into NATO and the whole thing allowed to either fade away or be ready to confront China. Now we have Putin in China's arms, pushed eastward, isolated, and Ukraine a sitting duck, with no NATO membership and nobody to defend them, while NATO insisted that Ukraine would not be a neutral state like Austria, which would have worked fine. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Putin knew his window of opportunity was short with Joe Biden in the saddle, so he struck hard.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Bur Oak 2/25/2022 8:55:43 AM (No. 1082306)
Sure the USA has a security interest in the Ukraine. The question is, how much American blood and wealth is this interest worth?
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Quigley 2/25/2022 8:56:20 AM (No. 1082308)
We have a security interest nearly everywhere. If i were putin i would not stand for schmoe and huncher bidet to promote corruption in ukraine. We’ve already lost- that’s 2 wars lost by pappy poopy pants in less than 12 months- so all this posturing by bidet et al is either to try to act like something is not happening that is or because the feckless are feckless because fecklessness is all they know. Pappy lost Ukraine the night he was elected (by the diligent vote scanners and scammers). Obumbum was feckless. Nato is over- it’s impotent after years of rotting at the seams. I wish someone would explain to me why Ukraine is important to the US but our own borders aren’t and it’s not important what the bidet slime were doing there (or how much chinese sovereignty funds huncher is managing). The only thing i see is the domino theory. I’ve had enough of that one too. Once more into the breach? - not for me.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Sanchin 2/25/2022 9:01:12 AM (No. 1082313)
Oh yes, please remember our security interests in Ukraine as you pay more for gas and utilities (subsequently food and commodities) and that the Oligarchs are now hurting. Ukraine is a bastion of democracy with just the right amount of Nazi ideology thrown in for good measure.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby 2/25/2022 9:10:53 AM (No. 1082316)
I think people are missing the point of this event. It's not about Russia invading to take over the Ukraine. That won't happen. It's about removing the world threat that is existing there. Over the last 7 years the Clown's and other Deep State people have set up a huge money laundering faction. The Clowns have been training foot soldiers to do their bidding. They also have been setting up many Bio Labs. (Last count about 11) They would be using those for what Bill Gates said, "The next Pandemic". Putin's missiles have been knocking out these labs. (7 out of the 11) There have been massive arrests made inside the country. The arms Zelenski has been giving out are not to go against the Russians but to take out the Deep State. What entity gave the most money to Clinton and the Clinton Foundation? Yes the Ukraine. I think Putin and Trump planned this. What's in the PEAD's? Presidential Emergency Action Documents that Trump signed before Joe became the pResident. Trump has already complimented Putin as a genius last week. The deep state is more than a few politicians. It's the CIA, FBI, DOJ, Big Pharma, Media, World leaders that have all been placed and not elected. WHO, CDC, Hollywood, and many more. And lets watch China. See what they do. Xi, friend or foe. CCP not a friend. Ukraine - most corrupt nation controlled by the deep state.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Tallgrass Palms 2/25/2022 9:13:13 AM (No. 1082320)
No, Sally, there isn't sufficient security interest to justify the loss of a single American life.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: marbles 2/25/2022 9:18:04 AM (No. 1082329)
# 7 . You're correct. The lefties want " war " to protect their nefarious activities in Ukraine. Kerry's son. Pelosi's son, Romney , joey and his kid, all paid off by Ukraine. And it certainly takes hillary spying on Trump off the back pages of the Times.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: coldborezero 2/25/2022 9:22:11 AM (No. 1082335)
FYA: “the Ukrainian people don't want to go back to the good old days of the gulags, poverty, communal living, empty stores, and the complete suppression of individuality and freedom.” Well, Sally, neither do the American people. Yet we are being subjugated by the totalitarian left with threats of financial ruin and incarceration while the leftist handlers of the senile buffoon in the white house move to send our military and our border patrol agents six thousand miles away, leaving our borders wide open to invasion by third world scum that hates us. We save Ukraine from invasion while losing our own country? Priorities, Sally. Priorities.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: reefdiver 2/25/2022 9:28:30 AM (No. 1082342)
My question is: why does Ukraine take priority over our southern border?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: john56 2/25/2022 9:35:13 AM (No. 1082352)
Well, yeah, the beltway deep state/military-industrial-complex does have a lot of interests in Ukraine. Wars are good for power-mad government bureaucrats, lobbyists, and defense contractors looking to replace all the toys that get broken in a war. Too bad, so sad about the folks that die, are maimed, or families so affected, but like they say, you gotta break a few eggs to make an omlet. Plus, the Biden Crime Family (and others) have found Ukraine such a wonderful place to make money. Reminds me of what a guy I knew from Mexico told me over 40 years ago -- Never believe that Mexico is a poor country. Look at all the people stealing millions of dollars from there every day! Just insert Ukraine and I think you get the same answer.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: ChattyCatsSusan 2/25/2022 9:36:36 AM (No. 1082354)
I disagree with this author. The only American interests we have there are the financial ones of the elites who are raking in millions of dollars to their personal accounts. How much of congress is owned by Ukraine? We know our President and Speaker are. We have no business going over there, not a single reason. Biden wants a war to divert from the fraud that got him into the WH, not to mention all the legal trouble he and his family are facing due to their massive corruption.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: samoasam 2/25/2022 9:52:00 AM (No. 1082363)
Wake up Sally. 1/How about we protect our boarders first. We are imploding, from within. And you want us to fight another war? 2/You trust those Woke generals in the Pentagon and Florida to run a war? Yes our military is well trained in crop and racism, Sally. We’re ready. I feel real comfortable after the Afghanistan fiasco. 3/ Ukraine is not a NATO member. 4/ Our European Allie’s aren’t too crazy about Armed conflict. They, Especially Germany are into Russian oil. 5/ NATO is useless and underfunded by the European countries. 6/Do you really want a Nuclear face off between the two biggest nuclear armed countries? 7/Biden and Harris are totally incompetent fools. You want them leading the war effort? 8/The US Sanctions are drastic? the Europeans are Still buying oil from Russia. The US is Ludicbuying oil from the Russians. CAN YOU GRASP The Magnitude of Insanity? Wake up and look around, Sally.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Sanchin 2/25/2022 10:10:21 AM (No. 1082391)
# 11: Good question! The answer can be found in the stated goals of the WEF. You are a serf that should own nothing. The idea that you have a country and a say in how that country is run, is a complete illusion to keep you from uprising against the elite. Thus, overrunning America's border with low-skilled workers further erodes your stake in this country. Ukraine however is simply a useful tool to attack and ostracize Russia on the world stage (well at least in the Western World) and a ploy to damage Putin. Plus you get the added benefit of further decreasing the wealth of the majority of Americans with skyrocketing prices and inflation. Win-Win for all. Well, not you or us so much. So remember, stand behind this brilliant president and listen to Obama and sacrifice your savings and earned wages to support Ukraine, and please stop worrying about the southern border.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 2/25/2022 10:14:58 AM (No. 1082399)
What would she do? Send a few thousand woke lesbians, pregnant males, aggrieved minorities to fly in and take on Vlad’s professional army ? Do we have female Seals or Rangers or Green Beret yet? Excellent!
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Reply 17 - Posted by: MDConservative 2/25/2022 10:17:59 AM (No. 1082401)
Sally never makes her argument that there is a vital US security interest at stake in Ukraine. Her primary point is that Ukraine should not be turned over to Putin. Okay, fine. And the US interest in that? What she and others ignore is that sans US (the only real NATO power) involvement, the other NATO "allies" are merely downstage spear-carrying dressing - few have responded in any meaningful way militarily, none are mobilizing, Croatia has even said it's going home if there's fighting. If the Euros are not concerned, evidenced by their empty military "response", what's the argument for US involvement? In fact, one can argue that the US/NATO is the heart of the matter, beginning with the Budapest Memorandum which never committed anyone to actually defending Ukraine, but promised any aggression (presumably by the Russians) would be referred to international bodies, such as the UN and World Court. Many here try to invoke the Monroe Doctrine whenever the Chinese sign on another Western Hemisphere partner in their Belt and Road. Well, NATO pledged in 1992 NOT to expand into the Warsaw Pact, and then did. Of course, we prefer to believe it's never "our fault" until it's convenient to point fingers.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 2/25/2022 10:20:57 AM (No. 1082405)
The only security interest is the Biden's bank account. Let's worry about OUR border.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Kate318 2/25/2022 10:43:55 AM (No. 1082437)
No, no, and no. Every time these neocons want a war they say the same thing. This time it’s different. This time, you really need to understand what’s at stake. Here’s why you MUST care. We have been blessed to be fairly isolated, geographically, which makes it easier to isolate geopolitically. The Founding Fathers had it right. The US was specifically created to get away from all of that European nonsense. If this was all so very important, why hasn’t the EU stepped up to the plate? Why hasn’t NATO? Let Germany lead the way; they’re good with war machines. I will not be manipulated into the poor Ukraine narrative.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: LadyHen 2/25/2022 10:52:16 AM (No. 1082451)
Why exactly do so many want the US to be the world's police man? No one is stopping you from picking up a gun and standing post if you so choose but me and mine have no interest in getting entangled in YET ANOTHER internal European conflict in less than 100 years. How many dead American boys do you war hawks want this time? And may I remind you the closest we have ever come to WWIII was the Cuban Missile Crisis, an instance in which a foreign nuclear power (USSR) had intentions to use land volunteered by an allied country (Cuba) 90 miles from our borders for military and nuclear purposes and threaten US security. We blockaded and it could have come to military action but the USSR backed down. Sounds not unlike what Nato and the EU wished to do to Russian via Ukraine. Putin is a vicious thug but he is a survivor and he isn't stupid.... and he sure has more brains and balls than Mr. Poopy Pants.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Heil Liberals 2/25/2022 10:52:26 AM (No. 1082452)
The Domino Effect is alive and well in the Beltway pavilion. There is nothing in Ukraine that justifies blood and treasure.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Mofongo 2/25/2022 10:55:10 AM (No. 1082458)
Does Sally believe that if Quebec and the rest of Canada got into a violent territorial dispute, this would be of strategic importance to Russia? Remember that there is a difference between regional conflict between two associated nations in another part of the world — and operating more than 750 bases in 80 countries. Who exactly is asserting hegemony?
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Citoyen 2/25/2022 11:25:49 AM (No. 1082503)
While I find Tucker Carlson’s callousness towards Ukraine distasteful I basically agree that the fate of that country should not be the primary focus of our country. Russia and Ukraine are in Europe. The European Union collectively has a much greater population than we do and is richer than we are. If it wanted it could end Russia’s aggression. Of course our country must honor our treaties and commitments regarding NATO but Europe must be the leader in this matter. Maybe if the USA stepped back from its role as “leader of the free world” our European allies would get their act together and stop Putin. Perhaps they don’t want to but how is that our country’s problem? Our most urgent task is to halt the destruction of our own country by the Democrat Party.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: netfun 2/25/2022 11:35:59 AM (No. 1082512)
Pageturner, Mr. Vindman is a coward and a traitor. He should be dropped off with a sidearm and a vest to defend his country of origin.
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Even as the omicron variant loosens its grip on the world, destinations continue to require travelers to show proof of vaccination. And, increasingly, a paper CDC vaccination card is not cutting it. While the United States government has not issued a federal digital vaccine pass, a national standard has nevertheless emerged. To date, 21 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico offer accessibility to the SMART Health Card, a verifiable digital proof of vaccination developed through the Vaccination Credential Initiative (VCI), a global coalition of public and private stakeholders including Microsoft, Salesforce, Oracle, the Mayo Clinic and other health and tech heavyweights. And very soon,
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