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Trump's stirring vaccine defense: Ex-president
says most Americans dying or hospitalized
because of COVID are unvaccinated and
encourages everyone to get the shot when
pushed on why more have died under Biden

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Posted By: Ribicon, 12/23/2021 12:33:25 PM

Donald Trump said Wednesday that people unvaccinated against coronavirus are the ones getting 'very sick' as he pushed back against conservative Candace Owens by claiming all Americans should get the jab while he again took credit for its creation. 'I came up with a vaccine–with three vaccines,' Trump told the Daily Wire host, referring to the development of the Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson vaccines while he was still president. 'All are very, very good. Came up with three of them in less than nine months. It was supposed to take five to 12 years.' Owens interjected: 'Yet more people have died under COVID this year, by the way,


Enough. Gov. DeSantis, please pick up the red phone.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: mc squared 12/23/2021 12:41:03 PM (No. 1016718)
Trump is making a major mistake here by not allowing for personal choice - a precept of Conservatism. Maybe because he pushed so hard for the vax development, he doesn't want to give it up and learn what we now know about the experimental drugs. I'm not a single issue voter but his position worries me.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Kitty Myers 12/23/2021 12:48:25 PM (No. 1016725)
I don't hold this against Trump. He didn't make the shots; he only made it possible to quickly get the shots to the public. Of course he is for personal choice. He has said so many times. Urging the public to get the shot does not mean otherwise.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: pros7767 12/23/2021 12:48:56 PM (No. 1016726)
He needs to keep his mouth shut! Fauci and big pharma lied to him throughout the pandemic. What makes him think that they're not lying to us now about the vaccines. Bannon needs to talk to him!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Come And Take It 12/23/2021 12:50:37 PM (No. 1016728)
You are wrong on this one, Trump. It's a little disheartening to realize that he is still getting crappy advice from someone on this. It's all about personal choice and freedom. That's the bedrock of MAGA.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: volksford 12/23/2021 12:54:18 PM (No. 1016733)
Mr President ...let it be and move on
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bluefindad 12/23/2021 12:55:06 PM (No. 1016734)
Truly disappointing. Trump made some yuge mistakes while president, especially by not exercising his hallmark "You're fired!" declaration to purge leftists from the bureaucratic ranks. I was hoping to see a wiser Trump emerge. Boorishly Proclaiming that the vaccine is wonderful and that he developed it and therefore everybody should take it only strengthens emperor poopy pant's hand and paints Trump as a captive of hubris.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Safari Man 12/23/2021 1:01:06 PM (No. 1016741)
What makes him think we need the jab when he himself survived the Wuhan Flu without it? Covid is less of a risk than the jab. Moreover, you're much better off if you get covid (and survive, which is extremely likely) due to natural immunities. #4 et al are correct. Bad advice.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: bogeegolf 12/23/2021 1:05:03 PM (No. 1016744)
Agree #6. Has he said anything about ivermectin or hydroxy? This is tough to watch.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 12/23/2021 1:08:49 PM (No. 1016747)
THIS is how Trump wrecks his own chances. Sorry, believing the propaganda on this means that either Trump still has incompetent advisors, or advisors who are lying to him to harm his political future. He's on a losing mission with this.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: ThreeBadCats3 12/23/2021 1:15:56 PM (No. 1016753)
Agree with above comments, Each day, it seems, the vaccine “hoax” becomes more apparent, yet usually very logical President Trump refuses to believe it. Almost like trying to talk sense to a liberal. But Candice is a diamond, and not in the rough.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Ragman73 12/23/2021 1:18:28 PM (No. 1016757)
I will admit I don't know a lot about sports. However, I have always understood that sometimes it is necessary or wise to send in a relief pitcher or a new quarterback to win. I like Mr Trump, but I think Gov DeSantis needs to be warming up in the bullpen. With his lack of " baggage", proven record and youth I have hope he can win. Covid and race are all the Democrats have at this point. President Trump,for better or worse, will always be tied to the Covid nightmare.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 12/23/2021 1:19:36 PM (No. 1016759)
Trump should shut up on this topic, or read the science.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: VietVet68 12/23/2021 1:19:58 PM (No. 1016760)
This is one of those very rare occasions where Trump is on the wrong side of an issue.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: BarryNo 12/23/2021 1:20:17 PM (No. 1016761)
I'm convinced unvacinated people are dying in hospitals, us because the directives don't let them treat the patients. Africa, which uses ivermectin, with reportedly good results seems more scientifically advanced than Western Governments who quickly banned it. Treat them... and they will live!
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Reply 15 - Posted by: GoodDeal 12/23/2021 1:21:02 PM (No. 1016762)
He has lost me completely. So are aborted fetal calls, hydra Vulgaris, mRNA DNA altering chemicals, nanoparticles, hydrogel, and other toxins in the vax good for you?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 12/23/2021 1:29:06 PM (No. 1016780)
Maybe if Trump is FOR this, various RATS will turn against it.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: OK state mom 12/23/2021 1:32:36 PM (No. 1016786)
Trump's ability to back up, regroup and promote Plan B is limited. Fortunately his first instincts have typically been right. He was fed bad info on the virus and vaccine by Fauci. He had no way to weigh the true facts or the true science. He's now not going to back down from the vaccine because it was developed under his direction. Any so called vaccine that requires 4 jabs in 12 months is not a vaccine.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Rich323 12/23/2021 1:39:39 PM (No. 1016794)
I’m curious as to the origin of the OReilly Trump history tour. Is President Trump getting input from OReilly and if so, where do we think he is steering him? In the future, the only way out of his position would be to say the experts lied about the vaccines and the death rates and with no support from MConnell or the house how could you fire and then appoint and confirm a replacement.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Ribicon 12/23/2021 1:40:57 PM (No. 1016797)
On one loud bluster, Donald Trump let Biden off the hook for his hollow promises to halt Covid, gave the liars who built and and are selling the shots off the hook, and also placed the blame for the ongoing pandemic squarely on the backs of noncompliant Americans who want to be left alone, and to see justice done. Hard stop. FTA: "Joe Biden's White House press secretary used Trump's comments Wednesday to promote Americans getting vaccines. 'We are grateful that the former president got the booster,' Jen Psaki said during her briefing on Thursday. 'We're also grateful that he made clear in a recent interview that they're effective and they're safe, and that's an important issue for anyone to hear.'"
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Reply 20 - Posted by: gop_guys 12/23/2021 1:43:42 PM (No. 1016798)
Love and supported Trump but I did the same for Dubya. Huge political mistake. If the media reports 40% of America refuses the shot, bet your life it’s more. I have many questions regarding his judgement; hiring Wray, not firing Fauci, not releasing Assange. Now promoting the clot shot. Many Christian patriots believe he’s compromised. Ending on a positive note, he exposed the Chinese, brought jobs back, promoted sovereignty, the military, & and our police. Ultimately our faith and prayer are our hope. It’s not a man or apolitical party.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: belwhatter 12/23/2021 1:53:53 PM (No. 1016816)
This is an admitted weakness for the best President ever to continue touting as a winning point. Our country is in so much trouble from the mess thrown at it by the socio communists and their backers, that we really do need him back at the helm. Granted it will be even harder to pull America back to some semblance of being on the right track. Many are wanting De Santis to compete for the job. Let him stay as Governor of Florida where he is doing an outstanding job for another term, then look for his nomination for the Presidency. You can't let someone who has been 95% on the money through four tumultuous ears slip through your fingers just like that because he had lousy advice and tried to salvage something from the damage that was done to the efficacy of ivermectin and hydroxychloquine by the money grubbing big pharma and others. #2 understood his position.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: anniebc 12/23/2021 1:57:08 PM (No. 1016818)
We tried to tell Trump to let this vaccine thing go over a year ago. He needs to stop. If he gets another chance at the presidency he needs to only have everyday conservatives as his advisers. They shouldn't move to Washington, but he should seek their advice from afar. The best of the Washington crowd is not good for him. Shut up, already. This talk is not helping.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Californian 12/23/2021 2:04:37 PM (No. 1016830)
Oh, quit your belly aching everyone. Sheesh. Man was the best president since Reagan but made some bad hires and has a different view than you on one thing and you all explode in froth and spittle. You will *never* get a president who you agree with 100% and makes no mistakes. If that's your standard you are doomed to a lifetime of anger and disappointment. He is absolutely for freedom on this topic. He has never pushed for mandates and closures and forced injections. Stop repeating Marxist lies. As a real conservative, I chose my own response to Covid given the best information available at the time. People who want a shot should get a shot. People who don't should be allowed to live free lives without it. That's a true conservative view point I share with Trump. Anything else said about it is furthering Marxist nonsense. I look forward to the same crowd crying about DeSantis being a traitor and disappointment the first time he makes a mistake or has a view on one of a thousand topics that doesn't absolutely agree with yours.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: chumley 12/23/2021 2:18:15 PM (No. 1016845)
I'm starting to see why he couldn't keep an advisor or an aide in the White House. Just shut up.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: SweetPea3 12/23/2021 2:28:22 PM (No. 1016854)
Trump should stuff a cork in it over this clot shot thing.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Kate318 12/23/2021 2:28:42 PM (No. 1016855)
Sorry, Mr. President, but you are wrong on this one. I love you, I will vote for you, but you are dead wrong here. If you stay on this course, it will end you.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Yo Yo 12/23/2021 2:48:28 PM (No. 1016870)
Bingo #23.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: FormerDem 12/23/2021 2:54:53 PM (No. 1016877)
Good for him. This is real leadership - he is invited to blame Biden, and he well could have, noting that coercing peope just makes them suspicious, and Biden's general performance is such that nobody believes his unspported word about anything. Instead Trump takes the blow himself, and knowingly steps into unpopularity by giving the best advice available. People shouldn't boo him. He is the source of most of what we know about therapeutics. Didn't we all calibrate the experts based on (a) listen to Trump about therapeutics, then see who is obscuring that, reject everything further from those sources, and so onward? What a man. I know, he should run for President!
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Reply 29 - Posted by: andyboy 12/23/2021 3:01:13 PM (No. 1016886)
While it is true the vaccines have been far less effective than advertised when it comes to preventing COVID or its spread, I think President Trump is correct when he says people who get COVID and were vaccinated have a better chance of surviving.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: beancounter 12/23/2021 3:11:01 PM (No. 1016897)
I have to disagree with #23. If I disagreed with him on some minor issue then I would overlook it. But this is the primary issue of his presidency and the biggest issue in the last 10 years (except maybe immigration). This has cost a lot of lives and many trillions of dollars and it isn't over. It's like saying "Yeah, I liked GWB, but I'm willing to overlook that I think he made disastrous mistakes with Afghanistan and Iraq and the Patriot Act." This is a deal breaker for me.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: Strike3 12/23/2021 3:13:41 PM (No. 1016899)
There are times when Trump should just remain silent on controversial topics. This is one of them.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: stablemoney 12/23/2021 3:15:34 PM (No. 1016902)
Trump is lying when he says the unvaccinated are the ones dying with the virus. Does Trump think pregnant women and children should be intimidated into taking the virus. Does Trump think the unvaccinated should be fired? Does Trump think Australians should be rounded up and put in concentration camps? When will Trump ask anyone else's opinions, especially his supporters? That has never happened, and going it gunslinger instead of asking your supporters has led you to ruin. You listened to Fauci and Birx who were sent to take you down, and they succeeded. I am thinking it is time to move on to Ron DeSantis. Trump has learned nothing from his personnel failures, and his refusal to reduce the size of government. We will have nothing but an even larger government if Trump is elected. He doesn't get that the government has grown so large and powerful that they control everything. That is why we are facing communism.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab 12/23/2021 3:15:41 PM (No. 1016903)
Much like Kyle Reese in The Terminator: Trump 'doesn't know tech stuff'. And he should keep his mouth shut on 'tech stuff' until he actually learns the whole truth about all of this 'vaccine' crap. As usual, his advisers on topics outside of his expertise are either also ignorant, or are corrupt and trying to sabotage him.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 12/23/2021 3:31:49 PM (No. 1016917)
Hmmm... It is not logical for Trump to say this. That is a deal breaker. It means Trump can't or won't learn.
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Reply 35 - Posted by: BirdsNest 12/23/2021 3:47:01 PM (No. 1016925)
At my doctors today. She asked me if I was fully vaccinated. I told her I did not want the "clot shot". She burst out laughing. Said she hadnt heard it called that. She knows I wont take even a flu shot.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: Californian 12/23/2021 3:48:40 PM (No. 1016927)
30, what is the problem? Saying people should be free to make their own decisions with the information available? How is that a deal breaker?? Some real world indisputable facts: 1: Covid kills people, it is not the common cold 2: The vaccines mostly worked for a short period but protection quickly faded 3: Boosters had much lessened but non zero effect on Delta and other variants 4: vaccines have also killed and injured people 5: Real math shows that if you are in a high risk group you are better off with endless boosters than with nothing. The risk is in your favor for non-omicron variants. Remains to be seen for omicron but looking like omicron is mostly harmless so far 6: if in a low risk group, flip a coin. The data here is minimal but hard to say either way if a healthy 3w year old should get injected. 7: Masks don't help. Social distancing doesn't help. Lockdowns don't help. 8: We're all very likely to get omicron, sneeze a few times, recover quickly, unknown if this grants general,resistance to other variants, yet. Trump said the shots work and you should get one if you want one. For higher risk people this is true. So, what is the problem?
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Reply 37 - Posted by: spacer 12/23/2021 4:03:32 PM (No. 1016936)
President Trumps attitude on the china flu and the jabs doesn't move my deep and abiding respect and admiration for him one scintilla . There are far and away many more important issues that he is absolutely the only person with all the tools to deal with. God Bless President Trump.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: DVC 12/23/2021 4:28:53 PM (No. 1016952)
I hope this is more DM Fake News.
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Reply 39 - Posted by: Mofongo 12/23/2021 4:39:38 PM (No. 1016959)
This is not good.
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Reply 40 - Posted by: slipstik 12/23/2021 5:07:17 PM (No. 1016983)
I can't believe that I know something that DJT doesn't seem to know. The government (NIH) created Sars2 at UNC Chapel Hill from about 2000 to 2017. The gov handed it off to the Chinese for weaponization around 2014. The vaccine was patented in 2019, 3 days before the final Sars2 genome. They had to withdraw and do it again Fauci knew every fact of all of this information because he was the gov point man on the effort. If I could find this out, why can't DJT? He still remains the best president ever, and I wish he had survived the theft of the election, but alas, that's over because of Pence, and we will travel the road to ruin long before Nov, 2024. This entire covid exercise is a power grab by the ruling elite. They have successfully stampeded the herd into taking a poison. Why does EVERY American citizen have to take FOUR shots not while not one single illegal alien has to take ANY shot at all? WE are supposed to die. THAT is the "GREAT RESET". I can't believe DJT doesn't know this. Archbishop Vergano does.
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Reply 41 - Posted by: dman 12/23/2021 5:10:32 PM (No. 1016986)
Agree with #23 et al: especially at Christmas we need to remember that the only "perfect" man is Jesus. [I said IS] DJT carries our flag. Even Dr. Robert Malone and other doctors recommend that those in high risk groups take the mRNA vaccine - despite its limitations. Just find and consult with a doctor you trust. With all the information and mis-information being thrown at us [first casualty of war is the truth], caveat emptor. Your body, your choice .. but make it an INFORMED choice. Use the brain that the good LORD gave you.
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Reply 42 - Posted by: Blizzard 12/23/2021 5:22:58 PM (No. 1017002)
Hard pass
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Reply 43 - Posted by: TCloud 12/23/2021 8:33:46 PM (No. 1017149)
Oh my poor aching back!
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Reply 44 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 12/23/2021 10:06:34 PM (No. 1017192)
Oh, where to start? Trump had to do something. Most people expected something to be done. He turned to the pharmaceuticals. Logical choice. Too bad their vaccine does not work. He relied on Fake Fauci. Bad choice, but Fauci is the 'expert'. Good help is hard to find. Especially in Washington. The lockdown was a mistake. 60 million lost their jobs? That was on Trump's watch. It's not all his fault though. Trump never mandated the vaccine. Blame that on Biden. It took a year for enough data to emerge to show the vaccine does not work. Jury still out on herd immunity, btw. It's a mixed bag.
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Arresting Unvaccinated Americans During
Indoor COVID Compliance Checks
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Posted by Kitty Myers 12/28/2021 7:36:56 AM Post Reply
Comrades, many American citizens stood jaw agape as they watched Australian metropolitan police departments begin cracking skulls and making arrests for violating COVID rules and restrictions. Yes, it always seemed like Australia, New Zealand and Europe were the beta testing ground to see if police would comply with jackboot arrests of their own community. Well, now we can see those same tactics being deployed in the U.S. New York City was the first large metropolitan area to require vaccination identification cards to enter restaurants, bars, dining establishments and various public and private venues. Now comes the enforcement part.
Prominent Dem Lawyer Predicts Lawsuits
To Remove GOP Members From House Seats
Next Year
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Posted by ladydawgfan 12/28/2021 7:20:37 PM Post Reply
Between Joe Biden’s poor poll numbers and his party being increasingly out of touch with the American public, the Democratic Party is widely expected to suffer devastating losses in the 2022 midterms. But prominent Democrat lawyer Marc Elias is predicting that Democrats will try to use litigation to prevent some duly elected Republicans from serving. “My prediction for 2022: Before the midterm election, we will have a serious discussion about whether individual Republican House Members are disqualified by Section 3 of the 14th Amendment from serving in Congress,” Elias tweeted last week. “We may even see litigation.” [Tweet] Dan Gainor of the Media Research Center scoffed at Elias’s absurd idea.
'I wouldn't have been president without
him: Obama leads Biden and Clinton in
paying tribute to former Democratic Senate
Majority leader Harry Reid following his
death aged 82 after four-year battle with
pancreatic cancer
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Posted by Imright 12/29/2021 5:06:23 AM Post Reply
Longtime Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid died Tuesday at the age of 82 after a four-year battle with pancreatic cancer. 'I am heartbroken to announce the passing of my husband, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid,' the former lawmaker's widow Landra Gould Reid wrote in a statement on his passing.'He died peacefully this afternoon, surrounded by our family, following a courageous, four-year battle with pancreatic cancer. Harry was 82 years old. We were married for 62 years,' she added.
'He's trying to avoid blame for his incompetence':
GOP slams Biden after he said 'there is
no federal solution' to combating COVID
despite previously promising to 'shut
down the virus' as cases hit highest level
since January despite mask and vax mandates
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Posted by Imright 12/28/2021 1:59:40 AM Post Reply
Republicans wasted no time slamming Joe Biden after the flip-flopping president said 'there is no federal solution' to combatting COVID-19 on Monday despite draconian measures that have included federal mask and vaccine mandates.The GOP, citing a comment Biden made in October 2020, released a tweet implying the president did an about-face on his commitment to battling the pandemic, which has .come back with a vengeance with the highest amount of cases in a day since January - before vaccines were created. 'BIDEN, TODAY: 'There is no federal solution' to COVID,' the Republican National Committee tweeted, and included footage of the president from Monday's meeting with 25 governors.
Swalwell says people cheering on ‘Let’s
go Brandon’ guy are ‘indecent to their
core.’ Folks have thoughts.
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Posted by Imright 12/28/2021 12:23:01 AM Post Reply
U.S. Rep. Eric Swalwell sparked immediate criticism after clueless commentary about the “new crew” of Republicans who are “indecent to their core.”The California Democrat was handed a self-check mirror on Twitter after whining about Republican politicians cheering on the ‘Let’s go Brandon’ chants, including the latest one that seemed to set Swalwell off.An Oregon father of four told President Joe Biden ‘Let’s Go Brandon’ on Christmas Eve during a live-streamed call, setting off a meltdown on the left.“I refuse to believe we are this indecent as people. Not on Christmas Eve. And not to a person who lost his wife and daughter at Christmastime. We are better than this.
Harry Reid, political pugilist and longtime
Senate majority leader, dies
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Posted by Dreadnought 12/28/2021 8:33:41 PM Post Reply
Harry Reid, one of the Senate’s longest serving majority leaders and a Democrat who played a central role in enacting President Obama’s biggest legislative accomplishments, died Tuesday at 82. The death was announced by longtime political reporter Jon Ralston, who called Reid "probably the most important elected official in Nevada history." "Harry Reid was one of the most amazing individuals I've ever met," Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in a statement. "He was my leader, my mentor, one of my dearest friends."
Dr Fauci's Retirement Pay Will Exceed
$350,000 Per Year: The Largest In U.S.
Federal Government History
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Posted by Imright 12/28/2021 8:21:17 PM Post Reply
On Christmas Eve, Dr. Anthony Fauci turned 81. However, he is not retiring just yet.If he did, Fauci would reap the largest federal retirement package in U.S. history.Our auditors at estimate Dr. Fauci’s annual retirement would exceed $350,000. Thereafter, his pension and benefits would continue to increase through annual cost-of-living adjustments.Fauci has 55 years of service as a federal employee.For the second year in a row, Fauci was the most highly compensated federal employee and out earned the president, four star generals, and roughly 4.3 million of his colleagues
The Constitution isn't working 29 replies
Posted by minuteman 12/29/2021 8:03:44 AM Post Reply
The U.S. Constitution is the sacred text of American government and civic life. But it’s time to face facts: The document, written in 1787, isn’t working. The signs are all around us. Just 38 percent of Americans in a recent Gallup poll expressed either a “great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in the presidency, down from 48 percent in 2001. Congress, never high in the public’s estimation to begin with, fell from 26 percent to a mere 12 percent. The Supreme Court has also taken a hit, down from 50 percent to 36 percent during the same period.
The Biden Presidency: A Horrible Accident
of History
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Posted by ladydawgfan 12/28/2021 7:15:16 PM Post Reply
There's an accident in the Oval Office. Not the kind of accident left on the rug in front of the Resolute Desk on a regular basis by the untrained, rowdy dogs the Biden's sicced on the unwitting White House staff and Secret Service. I'm talking about the man who sits behind the resolute desk for his daily naps. Joe Biden is the accidental president. He is the result of an accident of American politics. His presidency will not be remembered with an asterisk, as my friend and fellow Townhall columnist Kurt Schlichter would say. No, it will be remembered... reviled...
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