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Why a ‘National Divorce’ Cannot Be
Civil, but Would Inevitably Mean Civil War

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Posted By: Magnante, 10/15/2021 3:48:27 AM

Many conservatives have talked recently about the need for a “national divorce” due to irreconcilable differences with the progressive left. (snip) We are talking about secession. And secession, in America, is anything but a civil or amicable process, and it’s useless to imagine it would be otherwise. It’s only truly been attempted once, after all, and it led to the bloodiest war in our history. (snip) There was war because there was a bedrock, nation-defining question around the legitimacy of state secession that had yet to be answered. That answer to that question was finally settled in 1865.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 10/15/2021 4:35:28 AM (No. 946044)
Civil war is what the nuts on the left want... I say we give them all the war they can stomach.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: BillW. 10/15/2021 4:46:38 AM (No. 946046)
Democrats are evil Marxist criminals. America's second Civil War should have started on January 6, with Patriot Ashleigh Babbit our first KIA.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: singermom9 10/15/2021 4:53:05 AM (No. 946049)
I heard that, in the 3.5 T bill it gives free daycare, but EXCLUDES religious organizations from that. So a church daycare gets NO support from the bill.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: 49 Ford 10/15/2021 5:04:15 AM (No. 946064)
There won't be another Revolution or Civil War. The men who fought those wars and those who led them wouldn't recognize the America we live in today. The only real tools we have at our disposal are court actions and a nonviolent but determined civil disobedience. Even the latter will be hard to muster, because most contemporary Americans are either ignorant of the stakes or have too much to lose.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: KatieJo 10/15/2021 5:17:26 AM (No. 946070)
Sometimes war is the answer, particularly when the other side will not be satisfied until you are dead. Won't be like a fair fight though, with the lefties having all the advanced weapons and spying technology our tax dollars provide to the corrupt government. It's never a fair fight with these people. The odds didn't favor our ancestors either though, but they were on their knees and God prevailed as he always does.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: qr4j 10/15/2021 5:32:00 AM (No. 946083)
Talking about Civil War isn’t helpful, IMO. There must be more productive things to do. Working on ridicule — Let’s go, Brandon! — is perhaps more effective. You get more support from humor. Remember Rush!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 10/15/2021 5:34:34 AM (No. 946087)
Being polite, docile and weak is what gave us the mess we're in... Get off your fainting couch!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: sw penn 10/15/2021 6:04:15 AM (No. 946096)
'In 1861, the seceding states believed not only that their cause was righteous, but that they had asserted not only a natural right but the legal right to achieve independence via legislative self-determination.' The problem is that today's courts can find "penumbra"s of anything they want in the Constitution, depending on which way the wind blows the grass...
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Reply 9 - Posted by: doctorfixit 10/15/2021 6:46:28 AM (No. 946109)
Violence is the left's decision. Violence is happening right now, so there is no pretending that surrendering to totalitarian socialism will prevent violence. I believe that coastal socialist cities can be kicked out of Free America in a very short time. They have only two days supply of groceries in their stores. They've been coddled their entire lives. Shut off their food, water, electricity, TV, shut off their heat - In a matter of days they will surrender their leaders to stand trial for treason & crimes against humanity & they will beg to be kicked out of Free America for good. Then convince any liberals remaining in Free America .to join their commie comrades without delay. No time to pack, just get moving.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Come And Take It 10/15/2021 6:46:38 AM (No. 946110)
Another 'Thinker' who thinks we can co-exist with these communist scum. Wake the F up and smell the Covfefe, moron. Asking us to live in peace with this slime is akin to continuing to ask the Israelis to live in peace with islam. It is not going to happen.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Sanchin 10/15/2021 7:05:10 AM (No. 946125)
The trend in demographics, along with the democrats having perfected the art of stealing elections, is such that this current union of States will continue to deepen the divisions of this country on multiple socio and economic levels. Before, those divisions were buried under the generally accepted belief that all Americans had a shared sense of identity, values, and love of country. That is no longer the case today and the chasm has not only broken the surface but has become deeper and wider with new chasms appearing. Without a significant unification of this country, the systems and structures will continue to devolve. Accepting the fate this country will forever be united is to enforce the subjugation of its citizens into perpetual servitude to the government even when that government becomes tyrannical and dictatorial.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Fosterdad 10/15/2021 7:05:42 AM (No. 946126)
Any serious attempt at secession will begin in Democrat states after the Supreme Court repeals Roe v. Wade and after the Republicans take the White House and Congress in 2024. Just as Democrat states in 1860/61 seceded over the issue of slavery and the threat to slavery posed by a Republican President, the Democrat states of 2024 will secede over the issue of abortion.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: anniebc 10/15/2021 7:19:40 AM (No. 946139)
Leftists never fight fair, and it doesn't matter if the fight is legal, verbal, hand-to-hand, etc. They are weak, so they fight dirty, but they don't care that it's not fair or dirty. They're cheaters, stealers, murderers, and liars in every part of their lives, yet they declare themselves the best among us. Professing themselves to be wise, they have become fools. That's God at work, but it's also human nature. The Bible tells us not to think too highly of ourselves. Your average leftist thinks she's the smartest person in any situation, yet she's the most foolish. And it always shows. Nobody has to make them look like fools; they do it all by themselves.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Rinktum 10/15/2021 7:23:04 AM (No. 946144)
Civil war saved the Republic last time, just sayin’. The real question is who has the will to do what must be done? This is the most heartbreaking period of my life. Watching my beloved country being destroyed by people who are so evil is very hard. Knowing what my grandchildren and great-grandchildren may face is heart wrenching. Personally, I don’t see any common ground with this present democrat party. As far as I am concerned, they are the enemy.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: BarryNo 10/15/2021 7:37:24 AM (No. 946158)
I rather strongly disagree with some of the material Mr. Sullivan enumerates. It feels cherry-picked. It does NOT march with my own research. The Democrats spent decades preparing for secession AND preparing for war. They constantly sought, legislatively and by brute force, to compel ALL of the United States to legalize slavery and expand its reach. Regardless of the peaceful words from their mouths, their actions bespoke a far more sinister intent. The Civil War was inevitable then, for the same reasons it is inevitable, today: Freedom. The Democrats and their ilk have always divided people into classes of beings, with themselves as the 'Homo Superior' of mankind. Those not of their clique were born to serve, and be silent before their masters. This is in sharp contrast to the majority who simply want to be FREE to feed their families, and be left alone. And there is no satisfation found in any amount if power and prestige in 'Homo Superior'. They always, in contrast, want more, expect more, demand more... they cannot let 'lesser beings' alone because the 'lesser beings' waste the resources that are available that 'belong' to the ruling class. You see this today in many 'respected and learned' papers detailing how opulation must be curtailed (but never for them), how energy must be conserved (but never by them), how everyone ELSE must sacrifice. This attitude fueled the original Civil War. The South's armies took to the field before Lincoln could even assemble his cabinet. The North had been largely stripped of modern military supplies and the first year of fighting by the North was done with volunteer forces bearing weapons that hadnt seen action since the Revolution or before what saved the Union from being conquered and destroyed was superior numbers, and, superior manufacturing capability. The South thought they could win their war and impose their laws before the North could get their legs in their pants. After the first year, even though fighting would continue for four more bloody years, the South had lost. And the North had little desire, politicaly, to abstain from completely destroying a foe who had treacherously and violently initiated the conflict. And like today, there were RINOs even back then. Many on Lincoln's cabinets were as opposed to his vision and solutions as RINOs today were opposed to Trump's. RINOs are the 'shirts' to the Democrat's 'skins' in the body politic. Same school (Elitism), same methods, different labels the better to decieve you with.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: homefry 10/15/2021 8:21:38 AM (No. 946193)
Time to water the tree of liberty.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Kate318 10/15/2021 9:00:19 AM (No. 946230)
A rather rambling article that dances with the idea and then frightens itself into saying no, ultimately. There are many reasons I could list as to why I disagree with the author’s conclusion, but the good news is that this subject is now being discussed. That’s the first step. Free States of America. Let’s roll.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Laotzu 10/15/2021 9:11:13 AM (No. 946245)
California already tries to influence the conduct of 18 other states. You think that mentality will stop if the Country divides? No, what will happen is the Democrats states would use the United Nations to hound the free states and pillage their assets. There are only two ways out -- their way or our way.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: red1066 10/15/2021 9:19:36 AM (No. 946252)
The Civil War was instigated by the demosluts interested in state rights. Those rights included slavery. The Union wanted to reunite the country under federal rule, and said federal law overrides state law. The left of today, is trying to start another civil war stating that an all powerful federal government run by them overrides state rights, and states that all citizens are basically slaves to the system.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Strike3 10/15/2021 9:22:31 AM (No. 946259)
Blood is a fair price to pay for freedom and most Americans have always believed that. Just as we saw in the 1860' s Civil War, other countries will see an opportunity and jump in to help one side or the other. China will certainly help the left. A Communist USA would be an irresistable prize for both China and Russia. The conservative right will certainly have their work cut out for them and would be fighting on several fronts. Is it worth it? Hell yes. We don't frequent the rifle range to make our ears ring.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Strike3 10/15/2021 9:36:02 AM (No. 946268)
#12, this is far from a one-issue disagreement. The right to abortion is merely a symbol of the Left's thinking (we can kill babies and you can't stop us). Most people arguing in favor of abortion will not have one themselves but it's a strong slap in the face to conservatives and God. Assuming that future elections will fix anything is a dream. Now that the democrats saw what cheating can buy them it will always be a part of the voting process. We are facing perpetual leftist/communist rule if we don't fix it with the force of our convictions and I do mean force. MAGA FJB
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Reply 22 - Posted by: beancounter 10/15/2021 10:15:24 AM (No. 946314)
None of these articles claiming a "national divorce" is a bad idea ever provide an alternative. If the only alternative is communism then I vote for "national divorce".
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Reply 23 - Posted by: DVC 10/15/2021 11:36:27 AM (No. 946429)
OK, when does it start?
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Reply 24 - Posted by: nerdowell 10/15/2021 11:49:37 AM (No. 946450)
1. The Civil War was not a civil war. It was not a war to overthrow and replace an existing government; it was a war of separation, in defense of a newly formed government. 2. The reason for the succession was economic; the South feared the North's intention to expand Tariffs imposed on over seas trade. 3. The South fought a largely defensive war as a matter of policy. Suggestions to preemptively invade the North were rejected at the beginning though by necessity that policy changed as the war progressed. Ft. Sumter was fought to secure its territory against Federal encroachment. One might argue that this policy did not hold in the West, but that's almost a separate war--one more brutal for civilians and complicated in terms of chronology and blame. The bottom line--it was complicated and the more you examine it the more complicated it appears, save for one point: the people of the South were not obstreperous children enticed by evil and the war was not a mere temper-tantrum over a confiscated toy.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Geoman 10/15/2021 1:21:54 PM (No. 946580)
A negotiated "divorce" is not the same as secession nor is it a given that it will be the red states will secede from the USA, as the red states are the USA. Even if war has to come, the alternative is the same as Normal American mass suicide and the left isn't worth committing suicide over when they can be put down by war. So back to figuring out a way to pull off a "no-fault divorce," perhaps with some targeted "collateral damage."
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Surroundedbyblue 10/15/2021 2:04:11 PM (No. 946645)
Unfortunately, I think it is the only way we fix this.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: 4Justice 10/15/2021 5:04:06 PM (No. 946825)
It would destroy us completely and that is exactly what the CCP, the globalists, the China class elites, and other tyrants want.
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