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Let's Be Honest, The ‘One Big, Beautiful
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Posted By: RockyTCB, 6/11/2025 9:26:42 AM

It is axiomatic that both Republicans and Democrats will exaggerate the size of any spending cut proposal, for the simple reason that it appeals to their partisan supporters. The “One Big, Beautiful Bill” is no exception. The numbers tell the tale. There are no spending cuts, at least, not in the way every household on a budget would count as a cut. That’s not what the headlines scream. Instead, it’s all things such as this from the left: “Deepest Cut in History” “Would Take Food Assistance Away From Millions of Low-Income Families” “Devastating Our Healthcare System”

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Calvinesq 6/11/2025 9:35:03 AM (No. 1962773)
My understanding is that there are limits to the “reconciliation” process that allows the bill to be passed by a simple majority. Without that, it would be impossible to break a filibuster that would require at least 60 votes in the Senate. My understainding is that in addition to the bill, Congress is starting the “recission” process that would provide real cuts. Take the win and get the ball rolling. The tax cuts being made permanent are just too important.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Quigley 6/11/2025 9:56:12 AM (No. 1962790)
That's what I read #1. Also, I read there are spending cuts, but the reconciliation process cannot address discretionary cuts- which were the great majority of the DOGE recommendations- but only cuts to mandatory spending, and that there are $1.2 Trillion of those (over 10 years) in the bill. In my humble opinion balancing the budget abruptly is both impossible politically and fatal economically. The administration plan is to put downward pressure on the spending and upward pressure on growth so the deficit becomes manageable as a percentage of GDP and total interest payments. The CBO scores it badly in part because the BBB takes away a lot of tax revenue by eliminating the expiration of the tax cuts; but the CBO does not score the loss of tax revenue caused by the tax increases or the gain of revenues from GDP growth. The tax increase without the bill would probably tank the economy too. Anyway, it's all we've got and let's hope it's great. https://pjmedia.com/charlie-martin/2025/06/05/understanding-the-big-beautiful-bill-and-the-laws-that-surround-it-n4940479
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Reply 3 - Posted by: BluesClues 6/11/2025 10:01:46 AM (No. 1962792)
Folks here saying the bill isn't intended to cut spending becaue then it won't be a reconciliation bill and it would require 60 votes in the Senate. Ok. Then Trump needs to say that. What p*sses people off, is that we see something that smells like rotten fish, and Trump is saying, it's roses. It's not roses. It's rotten fish. Trump should say, yes, Musk is right. This bill sucks. And yes, this is a kick the can bill. Stop playing us for fools.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Muguy 6/11/2025 10:38:15 AM (No. 1962812)
There is some sort of attitude that if one is a republican (small "r") doesn't support the BBB as it is now written that you are tagged as some sort of "Benedict Arnold" who on this one issue that you are persona non gratia. There are many laudable things in it, but I for one am concerned about the promised CUTS which we are told will be LATER This is how DC works, and Republicans and not necessarily just the GOP/RINOs are guilty of turning their backs on cutting spending, cutting the size of government, and are complicit with the demonrat/socialist/marxists with jacking up the debt. The Covid-1984 hoax added SIX TRILLION to the fire and was misspent and used for all sorts of things NOT related to treating or preventing the spread. Nota Bene: the promised "cuts" almost NEVER come about. This is why Rep, Chip Roy held out as long as he did for actually seeing cuts in the BBB. He knows it like a drug addict promising to come clean after 'just one more' hit of am addictive and potentially lethal drug. DOGE found the waste and fraud unimaginable to even the Rep. Proxmire's 'Golden Fleece" or Senator Paul's 'festivus' report on money being misappropriated to ridiculous and initwit financial schemes. How about doing the 'cuts' at the same time holding BBB liable to also REALLY cutting something, before going more into debt? WE are all at a point where the value of our money is getting lower, especially for 'seasoned citizens' due to inflation. Bueler? Anyone home?
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Starboard_side 6/11/2025 11:18:00 AM (No. 1962827)
Since we have not had General Order budgets since 2007, they can't simply "control spending", or use the power of the purse. They ONLY have the reconciliation process at this time. Get the bill passed. Also, need to act like we will win the next election and not feel like you suddenly have to unwind everything that's been tacked on over the past 18 years in one session of Congress. Yes, the deficit is an issue,, but not a problem, YET, so don't get too caught up in it right now - it will take a number of years to get the budget under control. General Order budgeting would go a long way to making that a reality as we don't have a prayer as long as they use the Continuing Resolution (CR) process which the Democrats love by the way.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 6/11/2025 11:42:05 AM (No. 1962836)
Issues and Insights are commies.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: jalo1951 6/11/2025 12:01:22 PM (No. 1962851)
Pass it then tweak it.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: snowoutlaw 6/11/2025 12:18:32 PM (No. 1962863)
I don't know the numbers in the BBB but I do know that a reduction in the planned spending is considered a cut in government speak. Also by just reducing the increases they can and will reduce the debt and reach balance in a few years.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/11/2025 12:32:43 PM (No. 1962875)
The bill is the best we can get for now. I am not optimistic we will get it by July 4 at the rate the Senate is going. Will it be before Congressional August recess? We will see. Trump is trying to cut government, but every time he lays a federal employee off, the courts hire them back. Republicans scream when SNAP and Medicaid is cut in their states, or the Dept of Defense wants to close a military base. Getting enough states to pass a constitutional amendment to limit budget imbalances to 3% of GDP, or other constraints, may be a possible hope---if a will can be found.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: felixcat 6/11/2025 12:35:18 PM (No. 1962879)
@ 1 and 2 - Grover Norquist was on Maria Bartiromo's show this morning and he supports the BBB. He also said there are two more recessions bills coming: this Fall and next Spring. Those bills will contain the serious cuts. The BBB is to make the Trump 2017 tax cuts permanent or at least extend them. Oh and as for the SALT, well thank you Rep Lawler who ousted the reliable conservative vote of ex Rep George Santos and now you can only win re-election by buying votes in your district through SALT and heating oil subsidies.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: chumley 6/11/2025 1:49:48 PM (No. 1962924)
We have been once again lied to just like they do every budget. There is no reason to believe anything any politician has to say, and that includes the president. They are going to drive the country into bankruptcy because it is the "best they can get" and we will be the ones who lose everything. They have their hidden bank accounts and will not even be inconvenienced, so they really dont care.
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