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Will Clean Energy ever grow up?

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Posted By: DVC, 5/24/2025 12:07:52 PM

In a recent article in the Wall Street Journal entitled, “Clean Energy Is Under Attack Even Where It’s Booming”, the author, Jennifer Hiller, bemoans the loss of tax credits for clean-electricity generation which are set to vanish under a plan proposed last week by congressional Republicans. She quotes Jason Grumet, a lobbyist with American Clean Power as saying, “The practical effect is an abrupt repeal of these incentives that translates into significant tax hikes that are going to freeze investment”. When I hear Jason confess that without tax breaks all investment in wind and solar would come to a screeching halt

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As soon as the subsidies, mandatory purchase of "green energy" laws and tax breaks are removed.....ALL this crap just disappears instantly. It's all a grift, a slick way of stealing taxpayer dollars while PRETENDING to be an energy source. Remove the taxpayer dollars and POOF, like a puff of smoke, gone.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: paral04 5/24/2025 12:24:08 PM (No. 1955019)
Solar and wind energy applications are dangerous to the environment. Those wind mills are killing millions of birds and sending dolphins and whales off course and beaching them because of the noise they create and visibility issues. . Solar farms can and have been destroyed by hail storms and release poisonous lithium into the soil. There was such an incident in west Texas a year or so ago. Nuclear power generation has been used for many years and safe.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: jalo1951 5/24/2025 12:40:04 PM (No. 1955028)
I have no doubt that there will come a day when renewable energy will be a viable source. That time is not now. We did not go from the Wright Brothers to the Moon in a year. I suggest that those that be continue to work on the technology that will enable renewables to be reliable, affordable, practical. Renewables will not work everywhere and all types of energy will be necessary. We all know about cars/trucks etc. and their batteries and various problems. Work on those issues first. They built a car and then decided how to power it. If the energy needs huge amounts of taxpayer money to operate then the answer should be no. Go back to the drawing board and rethink the situation again. Trial and error. Every failure will give you more knowledge on how to move ahead. The cars are unaffordable and the disposable problems of the spent batteries is a major issue. We have made a lot of improvements in the use of fossil fuels. We need fossil fuels, we can use both kinds of energy.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: bpl40 5/24/2025 12:41:14 PM (No. 1955029)
In short there is money here for tax breaks. Not for what it does. Sounds like another case of crony capitalism.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Strike3 5/24/2025 1:39:16 PM (No. 1955051)
Not likely. Wind power works where it's windy and Solar works where the sun shines most of the time. For individual homes it's an unpredictable novelty supplement but commercially it's a failure.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: mc squared 5/24/2025 1:55:56 PM (No. 1955055)
Just found a message in a bottle from Spain: Translated it says: Please help us. The power is out. The house is dark and my pots are cold.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/25/2025 12:32:00 AM (No. 1955181)
Here on the homestead we originally had PG&E for 17 years over private lines. Then the terrible fire in Santa Rosa occurred and PG&E was found liable, even though the fire was sparked from private lines they did not own, control or service. TK immediately realized that PG&E would soon cut-off the private lines...why risk the liability when you don't have control over the infrastructure? We had already invested $77,000 in twelve solar panels and were on "inter-tie" with PGE; we sent them electricity during the day and used their electricity at night. We had a flat $18 a month bill and we'd "settle-up" once a year; they paid us less for the daytime wattage we sent, than they charged us for our nighttime use. (Go figure!) We'd get a credit for 50 cents! After the Santa Rosa fire, we decided it was time to go full solar. TK talked to the other owners and suggested we take what was left in our line maintenance fund, and divide it up. It would give each of us $10,000 "seed money" to go solar. None of them would join us. Instead they voted to sue PG&E! (They wasted the money on lawyer's fees.) We needed to add four more panels to our solar array, put in a new shed with a concrete foundation to house the lithium batteries (4) and control panels, trench more than 100 feet from the array to the shed, and install a Kohler propane generator, that starts automatically when the batteries get down to 40% for back-up. We did it 2021 while Covid was still a thing. This phase cost $77,000. We re-fied the house and got a 2.37% mortgage! PG&E eventually pulled the plug on privately owned lines. Two neighbors went total solar, the other seven have to run gas generators to power their homes. Last Monday regular gas had reached $5.25/gallon. (Thanks, Gavin!)
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/25/2025 12:38:04 AM (No. 1955182)
Post Script: (Apologies...I forgot to mention the purpose of my story that relates to this article.) We also took advantage of the solar tax credit. It isn't just for big companies. It has a three year limitation, this was the last year. We were able to receive $7,000 tax credit each year, which basically reimbursed us for the original 12-panel array. Not a lot, but very helpful.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Timber Queen 5/25/2025 12:40:49 AM (No. 1955183)
Sorry again. Correction, the original 12-panel array cost $22,000. Total investment close to $100,000.
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