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'Without gas or without you? Without you':
Zelensky's words for Russia as Ukraine
sweeps through northeast

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Posted By: FormerDem, 9/12/2022 8:21:07 PM

President Volodymyr Zelensky [snip] in a Telegram post addressed to Russia, asked: "Read my lips: Without gas or without you? Without you. Without light or without you? Without you. Without water or without you? Without you. Without food or without you? Without you," Zelensky wrote. "Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst are not as scary and deadly for us as your 'friendship and brotherhood,'" he


Ukraine is winning. While all eyes are on the funeral of Queen Elizabeth, Ukraine has done an amazing thing. Look.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: thefield 9/12/2022 8:37:39 PM (No. 1275798)
Russia was advancing one. Ile at a time I was astounded at this sudden change.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Dreadnought 9/12/2022 8:54:08 PM (No. 1275812)
The fear is that Putin will order the use of one or more tactical nukes if only to destroy Ukraine's tactical advantage of accurate high tech weaponry. High air burst to maximize the resulting EMP.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Nimby 9/12/2022 9:15:46 PM (No. 1275829)
I will believe it when I see it
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Omen55 9/12/2022 9:22:34 PM (No. 1275840)
Volodymyr Zelensky was a comedian B4 entering politics. Vlad isn't laughing.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: TexaTucky 9/12/2022 9:26:46 PM (No. 1275846)
The oligarchs are the only ones winning.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: SALady 9/12/2022 10:03:36 PM (No. 1275873)
The only way Russia "loses" this war is if someone takes out Putin. Otherwise, everything (including nukes) is in the Russian arsenal. The only thing that could stop Russia from using nukes would be the president of the USA. But the current president is a wimp of a man suffering from the advanced stages of dementia. Every time he talks, Senile Joe bidet just leave Putin rolling on the floor laughing.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 9/12/2022 10:32:49 PM (No. 1275891)
Putin and Russia have to realize their war is reaching a point that even if they win, they will have actually lost. It has cost them too much in every way. Remember the predictions that Russia would win in 14 to 90 days? As for Russia using nukes, it would be an admission that they could never beat Ukraine with conventional weapons.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Safari Man 9/12/2022 10:57:53 PM (No. 1275907)
It all feels like propaganda to me. Propaganda designed to make us think they’re not a lot cause and worthy of another $80 billion lucre. Where am i wrong?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: MindMadeUp 9/12/2022 11:26:27 PM (No. 1275918)
This is stupid. Somebody doesn't know how to speak English. That poetic-sounding statement makes no sense as an in-your-face declaration of willingness to endure hardship. It's one of those double-negative things. Grammatically he is saying that they must choose between either have no water, etc. or having no Russia... So if they choose without water, then they do get Russia. Or if they choose to have water, etc. then they get to be without Russia. And by asserting "Without you" they choose the option of having water, etc. but no Russia. Which means they won't have to endure hardships in order to be "without you", without Russia. It makes no sense. Now watch all the news media jerks pretend it means what they want it to mean instead of what it actually says.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: FormerDem 9/12/2022 11:44:55 PM (No. 1275925)
#9 I think it was probably written in Russian or Ukrainian (I am guessing but it was Zelensky to Russia) and Russian handles double negatives differently from English. Though again I am guessing Ukrainian does it same way as Russian.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: mifla 9/13/2022 3:18:43 AM (No. 1275959)
Putin has yet to throw the entire might of his military against Ukraine. Not sure if it will ever happen, but I would not declare victory just yet.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rinktum 9/13/2022 5:02:41 AM (No. 1275994)
Ukraine can burn all the cash Joe is sending them if they need heat this winter. I cannot believe how much money is flowing into this country. This is money laundering on an epic scale. As much as I do not trust Putin he did say that Ukraine was used by the US for that specific purpose. It’s men like Biden and his cronies in both parties that create this kind of tragedy. The Ukrainian people suffer because they get caught between an invasion and politicians who want to protect the location of where they were hiding their illegal corruption. Putin took strategic advantage of a weak President who would not confront him in a meaningful way. Joe enabled Putin to use the gas and oil he was providing to Europe as a means of control when he destroyed our energy independence which, in turn, destroyed our ability to sell our excess gas and oil to Ukraine. That gave leverage to Putin and a clear opportunity for him to invade Ukraine. You can lay this whole mess at Joe Biden’s feet. Elections have consequences, especially stolen ones. How many lives lost, how much destruction can one man cause? Look what he has done to his own people.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Rumblehog 9/13/2022 6:57:19 AM (No. 1276040)
Meanwhile, Zelensky rents his Italian villa to a Russian Oligarch. This is a case of, "winning with you."
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Kate318 9/13/2022 9:03:08 AM (No. 1276135)
Spare me. Pure propaganda from Obama’s puppet king. If the Ukrainians look like they’re winning, it’s because Russia has changed her tactics. Why people are cheering a country that has been the center of child sex trafficking, global corruption and illegal, US bio weapons labs is truly mind numbing.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Cynical Backstory 9/13/2022 10:35:06 AM (No. 1276252)
It’s been impossible for me to choose sides in this. We all know what Russia is but Ukraine is no shining example of anything. Except how to laundry money worldwide for an absolute army of corrupt-o crats. Zelensky doesn’t impress me at all, with his professional comedian background and his Vogue fashion modeling wife and didn’t I read just lately that he’d bought a seaside villa somewhere? What are leaders doing to our world? I’m just afraid that so much worse is yet to come.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: DVC 9/13/2022 4:06:48 PM (No. 1276592)
For anyone who wants to look at this from a wider perspective, and from the view of an Australian logistics and economics expert, this is a pretty interesting six month update. If you want to keep your narrow political only view, fine. I've been trying to look at larger issues for the whole planet for about a year, and there are some interesting things to see outside of our politics. The creator has many interesting videos where he seems to work diligently to cut out the Ukrainian propaganda and the Russian propaganda and sort through to find the look at the larger trends. General Swartzkoff, after the Gulf War victory, refused to take credit....and called up his logistics expert and said "This is the guy you should be honoring". Old saying: "Armchair amateur war experts study tactics, professional war experts study logistics."
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