How the West Gets Ukraine Wrong — and
Helps Putin As a Result
Politico,
by
Rory Finnin
Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe,
2/12/2022 7:21:29 PM
It was just a casual, throwaway description. Last September, the New York Times reported on a series of daring operations by Ukrainian special forces to evacuate civilians from Afghanistan. U.S. troops had left Kabul, and the Taliban had taken complete control. “Enter Ukraine,” the article read, “a small but battle-hardened nation.”(Snip)... Americans would pass over that word: small.(Snip)This is a big problem. Ukraine is the largest country by territory within the European continent. Its population is roughly the size of Spain’s. Take even a cursory look at any map--Ukraine is anything but small.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Harlowe 2/12/2022 7:24:05 PM (No. 1070269)
FTA: “LENIN’s Bolsheviks defeated the Ukrainian People’s Republic a few years later, but only after CONCEDING THAT UKRAINE WAS A NATION DESERVING OF A FORM OF STATEHOOD, a concession that helped make Soviet victory possible along the non-Russian peripheries of the tsar’s former empire. After all, the Soviet Union was formally a union of national republics, and the Ukrainians were a central reason why.
“The Soviet Union is now long gone. TODAY, IN CORRIDORS OF THE KREMLIN HEAVY WITH GRIEVANCE, RUSSIAN CHAUVINISM VIS-À-VIS UKRAINE REMAINS STRONG. Since 2014 it has led to the deaths of thousands of Ukrainian citizens and to the displacement of hundreds of thousands more.
“Now it is making hostages of well over 40 million people. In menacing Ukraine’s borders, Putin is not only betting that the West doesn’t care about Ukraine. He is also betting that the West doesn’t know or even see Ukraine. Our ignorance feeds his aggression.
“When we work to study Ukraine on its own terms, when we see Ukraine for what it is--a massive, pivotal, unique country whose people are once again at a front line of democratic freedom--we begin to prove him wrong.”
Lee Strasberg and Igor Stravinsky are among Ukraine’s ten most famous people.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
stablemoney 2/12/2022 7:27:34 PM (No. 1070274)
I have zero respect for the State Dept, Biden, the Democrats, or the Rino's that follow them. They can do their wars. Consider me out of it.
15 people like this.
Reply 3 - Posted by:
DVC 2/12/2022 7:54:09 PM (No. 1070288)
I've travelled in most of Europe, and in Ukraine. Ukraine is very big by European standards, as the article says.
Americans are pretty ignorant of geography these days, hasn't actually been taught in schools, apparently, for decades.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
NorthernDog 2/12/2022 8:06:19 PM (No. 1070301)
Ukraine's great size is also a detriment. The country's population is not large enough to repel an outside aggressor. I have no idea what Putin's plans are, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to subsume the whole country.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
ThreeBadCats3 2/12/2022 10:31:59 PM (No. 1070345)
Knowing very little about it, I see the Ukraine as an admirable country. Most every time I see it referenced, it is as “corrupt”. I wonder, compared to who? Certainly not the USA, Russia or China, and etc. From what I gather, I’d be as proud to be a Ukrainian as an American. But I doubt that 3,000 National Guardsmen will keep Putin awake at night. The mystery is, why, throughout history, does one country lust after the territory of another?
6 people like this.
Reply 6 - Posted by:
NotaBene 2/13/2022 4:21:48 AM (No. 1070418)
The Ukraine is a corrupt state that purchased the Bidens for $85,000 a month. Crimea is Russian land. Donbass is Russian speaking, Orthodox Christian, and 50% have already chosen Russianness Passports. Putin is a better leader than FJB who is illegitimate.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
qr4j 2/13/2022 6:17:24 AM (No. 1070453)
Good article. Worth reading. Perhaps Americans would know more about foreign countries if our schools spent less time on being woke.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
billa57 2/13/2022 7:41:43 AM (No. 1070482)
It's not the west so much as it's Brandon and his political party's 'Crisis for political gain' strategy and their need to distract from what they are doing. The MSM is all on board.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
bgarrett 2/13/2022 8:11:01 AM (No. 1070501)
Johnny FD (youtube) is in the Ukraine and he says people there dont think invasion will happen
4 people like this.
Reply 10 - Posted by:
Paperpuncher 2/13/2022 9:07:10 AM (No. 1070554)
Hey #6: Just to clarify here. 1. Ukraine did NOT pay Biden $85,000 per month. Berisma did. The Ukrainian Attorney General was investigating Berisma and Hunter Biden. At such time “The big guy” threatened to withhold about a billion or so in aid unless the Attorney General was fired. And guess what, he was fired. Biden bragged about it on video.
So who is corrupt here?
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 2/13/2022 9:29:00 AM (No. 1070571)
Dandy little article but with a chirp like FJB in the fraudster seat we will never know how this is going to turn out. Putin wants the land, but will he get it. FJB is possibly Putin's ticket to takeover, but do they want world war over the Ukraine is the question.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Speedypetey 2/13/2022 10:56:44 AM (No. 1070671)
Our Europe office had business in Ukraine starting in the mid 90's but really increased in the 21st century. After the Russian Federation was established automotives moved factories in for the new sales market and low cost labor. It didn't take long for the bribes, theft and laziness to pressure profits and many factories moved to Ukraine. Maybe Putin wants manufacturing and a motivated (slave) work force.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Zigrid 2/13/2022 10:58:50 AM (No. 1070674)
I get the feeling that President Trump left enough weapons for the Ukrainians to give Putin a bloody nose...his huff and puff was meant to distract attention away from the chi/com Olympics...a deal made with XI...since Americans are NOT watching and buying the goodies that are advertising...it's not been a huge success for china...so a little distraction comes in handy...and now that America beat the hockey puck from the chi/coms..they look even more pathetic...no wonder china has stolen all our technology over the years...they can't invent any of their own...
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
dirtyjersey 2/13/2022 1:21:19 PM (No. 1070801)
I don’t trust Biden, but if Russia does invade, we can’t sit back and let that happen. If Trump were still President, Putin would not be trying this.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 2/13/2022 4:41:46 PM (No. 1070963)
Elementary version, Putin is a Mama Bear who wants all her cubs back in the den (where he can feed them, watch them, and when necessary punish them.) All is forgiven, come home. He should have first dibs on Hillary's slogan ''Better Together.''
1 person likes this.
Reply 16 - Posted by:
Mike22 2/13/2022 9:24:27 PM (No. 1071168)
Would the 80 billion dollars of high tech US military equipment left in Afghanistan have helped?
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Although Politico published this article, it is well worth reading considering the current threat of war between Russia and Ukraine. The author is an Associate Professor of Ukrainian Studies at the University of Cambridge (U.K.) but grew up in Lakewood, Ohio. He was a Peace Corps volunteer in Ukraine and has a PhD from Columbia University.