Exclusive: 'Bullied' teen Ethan Crumbley,
15, is identified as Michigan High school
shooter who gunned down four classmates
with his father's 9mm after flaunting
it on Instagram
Daily Mail (UK),
by
Shawn Cohen
&
Jennifer Smith
Original Article
Posted By: Imright,
12/1/2021 1:50:47 PM
The 'bullied' teenage gunman who shot dead four students at Oxford High School in Michigan on Tuesday has been identified as 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley. Crumbley lives with his parents James and Jennifer in a small home in Oxford, less than two miles from where he opened fire on Tuesday, killing Tate Myre, 16, Hana St Juliana, 14, and 17-year-old Madisyn Baldwin. A fourth boy, Justin Shilling, 17, died in the hospital on Wednesday morning. Crumbley's motive for the shooting remains unconfirmed by police, but kids at the school say he was being bullied.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Nimby 12/1/2021 1:51:41 PM (No. 994067)
Bullied?
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I was bullied in school and I know some of my friends were bullied, usually by the jocks. I passed it downward and bullied the weaker than I student... That is, until I got punched in the mouth by one of the "weaker" ones. I was forced to reassess my strategy but that strategy NEVER included killing anyone. Some of the problem... Zero tolerance means nobody can punch a bully in the mouth when they need it... frustration gets pent up. Violent music. Violent TV. Violent video games feed the frustration and fantasy becomes reality.
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I know I shouldn't judge and it's especially easy to do so after the fact, but there's something about that face that says something's not quite right behind those eyes.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Corndoggies 12/1/2021 2:23:19 PM (No. 994086)
Has there ever been a teen shooter that wasn’t “bullied”? Seems like too a convenient explanation.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Edgelady 12/1/2021 2:32:29 PM (No. 994093)
My gosh, he's a child..... Most of the time these bullied kids are awkward, don't have many friends and feel isolated. Not all of them act out with violence. It seems some of them are more emotionally fragile than others. Then they get bullied, parents feel helpless - what's the right thing to do, to say? Teach them how to box? Enroll them in martial arts? People forget just how fragile a young boy's mind is.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
seamusm 12/1/2021 2:40:55 PM (No. 994096)
Doesn't every sinner have some lame excuse for their behavior? Or is it rather that WE make up excuses for them lest we also be accused of our own crimes? This pattern dates as far back as Adam - 'The woman YOU made......'
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
TexaTucky 12/1/2021 2:46:56 PM (No. 994104)
We amp up our world with violence and pornography and an ever-increasing focus on looks and social media, and then we're surprised when young men can't handle the overload of all that plus the onrush of testosterone as they become teenagers. "Bullied" is a dismissive way of describing the terrorism that some of them endure.
Some of us may think we understand what bullying is from past experience, but what these kids face today is so much more intense.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
qr4j 12/1/2021 2:47:42 PM (No. 994105)
I know of a kid in a Central Illinois high school who was being bullied. The school would do nothing about it, despite his parents' efforts to get the school to respond to the situation. The person bullying him happened to be a large female of color; he was a white kid, small for his age. The girl knew where the cameras were and always did the bullying outside of camera shot. The school, therefore, claimed it could do nothing.
So what did the kid do? He was tired of being hit and so forth. He brought a gun to school. No one was hurt; he was disarmed as I recall. But now he is in juvenile jail. His life has been horribly affected in a negative way. His parents were devasted.
No one would listen to the family. And the school was too afraid to deal with a protected minority.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
curious1 12/1/2021 2:51:39 PM (No. 994113)
He was getting beat up by 14 and 17 y. o. girls? That doesn't sound like a 'bullied' problem....
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Mizz Fixxit 12/1/2021 2:53:38 PM (No. 994116)
The killer posted photos of the gun on Instagram over the weekend. He boasted that the gun was his. Did the kids who stayed home from school because of rumors about a shooting know about the gun post? Now I know it is easy to second guess but you’d think someone who saw the Instagram post would tell authorities. Just sayin’.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
bighambone 12/1/2021 3:03:31 PM (No. 994124)
The boy certainly looks like the type who would be bullied, even by girls. Unfortunately the current political establishment is not interested in legitimate bullying victims, unless they show up as transgender, or the like, and can be steered into the opposite biological gender’s bathrooms for political purposes.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Zeek Wolfe 12/1/2021 3:15:23 PM (No. 994134)
I was bullied in the Navy by a group of people. One night I confronted the leader when we alone and told him that after the next episode of bullying I was going to turn his face into raspberry jam and he would need a trip to the dentist. I pinched the hell out of an ear while telling him that. End of problem!
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Proud Texan 12/1/2021 3:24:04 PM (No. 994136)
Sometimes when students are bullied, their parents blindly do the wrong thing and back up the teachers no matter what the teacher, or other school authority, decides. Kind of like backing the blue in all cases, even when they are wrong. There are situations where ALL the adults' actions together with the bullying crowd don't leave a way out. THIS is probably the case much more than people realize. As one other commentor said, it is a heck of a lot more intense now than in the past when social media wasn't all over a person all of the time.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
idahoskook 12/1/2021 3:43:11 PM (No. 994151)
This is criminal negligence on the part of the gun owner. This kid obviously had issues and his father should have taken steps to secure the gun. Hate to say it, but the father needs to be charged here.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
chumley 12/1/2021 3:59:29 PM (No. 994161)
I dont condone it but I understand it. I, too, was bullied. For years. They had me living in terror every single day. Then something happened. I grew. I grew a lot. I was six two by 7th grade and went over 200 lbs by 9th grade. Eventually I turned several of their faces into hamburger.
The bitterness still exists. I take great joy in finding out several of them are dead. Some have had train wreck lives loaded with unwanted pregnancies, multiple divorces and a pointless lives. They peaked in school and never became anything more. I'd still like to see them slowly filleted in a cesspool and allowed to die in the septic rot, but we can only get so much.
Usually they were sports jocks or cheerleader types.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
DVC 12/1/2021 4:02:30 PM (No. 994165)
I have no idea if he was bullied, but the anger that can build up from being bullied is very intense. I had one guy who gave me a hard time on the bus for a year in HS, and we got into several fights that he started, both of us equally punished by useless school folks.
I came very close to hitting him with a chunk of 2x4 in the knee a year later when we happened to be at the same farm seeking work. I decided not to do it, and dropped the lumber and walked away. But the urge was strong.
I had plenty of access to guns, and it absolutely never crossed my mind to shoot anyone. The worst I could imagine was smacking someone in the leg with a piece of wood, and even that, I realized was a bad idea. I understand the frustration and anger, but absolutely do NOT understand the willingness to kill.
Perhaps that's the line between sane and insane.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
slipstik 12/1/2021 4:04:38 PM (No. 994168)
I went to a Catholic boy's high school. One day, as lunch shifts were changing, I shoulder blocked a freshman as he walked in the opposite direction. I thought it was funny. About 10 seconds later, a priest did the same thing to me only he actually knocked me on my kiester. Then he gave me four Saturday detentions. I cleaned up my act. Schools have to take action. If they don't, this kind of thing will keep on happening. The instant I saw the kid's pic, I KNEW he has been a constant moving target under relentless bombardment. He was either gonna use the Sig on himself or on others.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
DVC 12/1/2021 4:06:08 PM (No. 994170)
In that photo he looks about 12. How old is the photo?
DM won't let me read their articles because of my ad blocker, which I won't tern off....but got a glimpse before they shut me out.
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The right to bear arms comes with certain responsibilities to include keeping them out of the hands of your children. This tragedy could have been avoided if the father had assumed his responsibility.
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No doubt FJB is going to remind us about the time he faced down Cornpop.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Urgent Fury 12/1/2021 4:26:14 PM (No. 994191)
Somewhere a teacher or teachers are saying one of two things; "I KNEW it" or "No way". I'm guessinf the former, but sometimes they surprise you.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
AltaD 12/1/2021 4:54:55 PM (No. 994227)
It's almost automatic now, as soon as a school shooter is identified the media comes out with stories of how the killer was bullied.
The media may have sympathy for the shooter but I only have sympathy for his victims and their families.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Shirl's court 12/1/2021 5:12:41 PM (No. 994237)
According to Sheriff Bouchard, he was not bullied.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
NYbob 12/1/2021 5:44:05 PM (No. 994254)
My son hated HS. Kids that were fine in the lower grades turned on him and used his good natured attitude against him. They knew he would not go aggressive on them in a confrontational way. At a low point I told him he would have to take a stand and when he did I would support him 1000%. I explained he had to be prepared to fight when all else failed and if it came to that, to go all in and not stop until others pulled him off. I could see he thought about what I told him and I said sometimes that is the only thing left, that it was awful, but that is reality. Later he told me he confronted the biggest mouth and let the shorter punk know he was ready to physically hurt him the next time he said something to my son.Apparently that message caused an instant attitude change in the shorter bully who suddenly panicked and said. 'I was just joking around, I didn't mean anything by it.'
My son finished HS without having to bloody anyone, but that moment of being willing to get down into the gutter with the cruel coward and trade pain for pain, flipped a switch in my son's mind. He is still kind, gracious, considerate, funny and sensitive, but he has a core strength he can go to if he has to. His punk tormentors had their cheapshot moments in HS, but they created a stronger adult than they planned. Neither of us wanted to go there, but I am happy he was ready to go for it and that he drew a line in the sand. I think that conversation and his decision to say enough is enough actually changed him in many positive ways every day since then, Parents need to help boys become men and HS need to do a much better job on all fronts.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
doctorfixit 12/1/2021 7:07:13 PM (No. 994306)
With all the free publicity & celebrity being donated by our enemies in the media, we can expect many copy cat killers, albeit uncredited, as a result.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Ashley Brenton 12/1/2021 7:23:53 PM (No. 994324)
Why do we expect kids to put up with behavior that an adult probably would respond to with gunfire in self-defense?
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
SweetSweetback 12/1/2021 8:12:00 PM (No. 994368)
Well, apparently Jeremy spoke in class today
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There you have it: Mark Zuckerberg censors important information bearing on a Presidential candidate's integrity and vulnerability to blackmail as "harmful" but an underage kid waving a firearm around is OK.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
YorkieMom 12/1/2021 10:26:46 PM (No. 994501)
I read another article that said the parents of this kid had been called to school to talk about his behavior problems. Now, it’s he was bullied? What to believe?
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
TexaTucky 12/2/2021 9:50:42 AM (No. 994864)
Couldn't both be true, #29?
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