2018 report showed major damage in Surfside
condo’s concrete structure
WFLA (Miami, FL),
by
Curt Anderson
&
BobCaina Calvan
Original Article
Posted By: ladydawgfan,
6/26/2021 4:25:15 PM
SURFSIDE, Fla. (AP) — The oceanfront condominium building that collapsed near Miami had “major structural damage” to a concrete structural slab below its pool deck that needed to be extensively repaired, according to a 2018 engineering report on the building.
The report was among a series of documents released by the city of Surfside as rescuers continued to dig Saturday through the rubble of the building in an effort to find any of the 159 people who remain unaccounted for after its collapse. At least four people were killed.
While the engineering report from the firm of Morabito Consultants did not warn of imminent danger from the damage —
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Periwinkel 6/26/2021 4:38:33 PM (No. 827446)
Having served on a Condominium Corporation's Board of Directors for more than several years, I have to say they Board should have been informed
of the deficiencies so they could decide how to proceed. If that information was withheld by the engineering firm, I say sue the B-st-rds for all they are worth AND send them to jail.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 6/26/2021 4:41:09 PM (No. 827448)
FTA:
“abundant cracking and spalling” of concrete columns, beams and walls in the parking garage. Some of the damage was minor, while other columns had exposed and deteriorating rebar."
This what I mentioned yesterday. If rebar is corroding, the corrosion products have greater volume than the original metal, causing cracking and spalling. The concrete and steel rebars work TOGETHER to provide the strength of the beam. Any significant spalling means that the beam is literally coming apart, with concrete chunking off and is losing strength. Never good.
Ignoring this was incredibly irresponsible. Whoever is responsible for keeping big, old buildings safe failed if they had these reports. If they didn't have them, they also failed, they should have been asking for this kind of inspection and reports. Only structural experts can evaluate the degree of damage, which is NOT clear from this report, but this sounds like enough warning signs that a VERY SERIOUS inspection process should have been done.
Or your building could fall down.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Hairy Eyeball 6/26/2021 4:57:46 PM (No. 827456)
I am on an HOA board for my Fla condo. Our engineering reports are expensive, and you better believe we read them closely. I doubt it was 'withheld' from the board. I bet the board slow walked it because of the huge assessments to get it fixed. Just my guess.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl 6/26/2021 5:15:03 PM (No. 827470)
Having served on an HOA board in the past, I can tell you that any proposed increase in fees turns into a battle royal - all the tenants/residents complaining that they're on fixed incomes and can't afford a $5 a month increase, or a $500 special assessment a year in the future. Once the tenants start complaining, most of the board members immediately get amnesia about why the increase was proposed, and act as though they had nothing to do with the proposal, even though they voted in favor. An old building like that probably had a lot of problems requiring repairs that the fees didn't cover, and it sounds like the board didn't know what to do.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
RuckusTom 6/26/2021 5:43:16 PM (No. 827485)
A Florida story? With 2018 in the headline? You know who was president then, don't you? You know whose fault this is, don't you?
President Trump needs to move back to the safety of NY (and keep paying those state income taxes).
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
lakerman1 6/26/2021 6:10:32 PM (No. 827503)
I find it interesting that since the building was owned by the occupants, I guess they have to sue themselves.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
mean Gene 6/26/2021 8:48:39 PM (No. 827570)
One really sad story.
A woman in one of the lower floors called her husband, who was away on business, at 1:30 AM just moments before the collapse.
She got his voicemail and left him a message that the swimming pool, easily seen outside their window, had suddenly disappeared.
Either she tried to leave too late or she didn't try, but she is among those 159 missing people.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 6/26/2021 11:12:59 PM (No. 827648)
Is anyone personally familiar with this building? Looking at many photos, it looks like there is about a six foot ragged vertical drop adjacent to the pool deck area. One side view seems to show that the area under this 'cliff' in the pool deck is a void. I was wondering if this indicates huge undermining of the earth, assuming the pool deck was on grade, or if it was made that way.
But, upon further looking, they may have built essentially an above ground pool, a raised pool deck surrounding it. This would make sense as the water table is probably extremely close to the surface, making digging an in ground pool difficult/impossible.
My question has to do with whether this apparent void under the uncollapsed portion of the pool deck is a design feature, or the result of soil washing away. If the earth is washed away that much, it could indicate earth supporting the nearby foundation washing away too.
If anyone is familiar with the details of the pool deck, it would be interesting to know.
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Very sad. Today there were storms and fires they believe were from cars trapped.
Still debating on evacuating the other building.
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am i missing something? was the morabito engineering firm just walking around and randomly decided to do a study of the building? it would have been nice if some real reporting were done that included who ordered and who paid for the study.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Strike3 6/27/2021 7:58:24 AM (No. 827796)
Bottom line, don't buy a condo. Cutting grass is not that much work.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Kafka2 6/27/2021 8:15:00 AM (No. 827815)
The fact that no effort was made to correct the damage is criminal. That the damage was not imminently dangerous 3 years ago is no excuse for doing nothing. The deterioration reported was progressive in nature which meant it should not have been ignored.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Speedypetey 6/27/2021 9:11:09 AM (No. 827903)
Having spent decades traveling internationally I have seen shoddy construction and when I would see a hotel with cracked concrete pillars and walls I would say, Lord, get me in and out safely.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
starboard 6/27/2021 9:46:37 AM (No. 827961)
I vaguely remember a story a number of years ago that concrete suppliers were accused of putting more sand in the concrete to stretch out the supply. There may have been a shortage of concrete at that time. That's all I remember. If this is the case, it will be discovered.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Casper27 6/27/2021 10:32:06 AM (No. 828045)
I am a little paranoid about this. There is not one word about terrorism by the media. Is there some
sort of cover up of what really happened?
I do not believe that large building just fell down like it was arranged.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
glcinpdx 6/27/2021 3:30:40 PM (No. 828334)
#8, the report is available out on the internet. One of the major problems noted was the structural slab underneath the swimming pool area. The waterproofing had failed and major structural issues were indicated. Costs to repair were in the millions.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
snakeoil 6/27/2021 5:03:59 PM (No. 828443)
The residents should have been made aware that they were living in an accident waiting to happen. Not to go off topic, but I am being inundated by ads for solar panels to be installed on the roof of my hovel. If all that weight were placed on my roof it would either cause my house to pancake or the next high wind would blow the stuff into the Atlantic Ocean. Don't mess with old buildings.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
MickTurn 6/27/2021 6:27:47 PM (No. 828507)
Sounds to me the owners paid off the inspectors...That's where I would start!
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Apologies for a second post. This is a horrible tragedy. As someone said today, don't blame the HOA because they lived there too.
I am still going with cheap counterfeit Chinese rods in the concrete.
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This is criminal, if true! Meanwhile, a sister condo structure built by the same construction firm at the same time at this one may need to be evacuated so it can be thoroughly and safely checked for identical structural damage.