Doctors, pols urge earlier use of
‘miracle’ coronavirus drug cocktail
by
Isabel Vincent
Original Article
Posted By: EQKimball,
4/12/2020 1:16:03 PM
For Charles Vavruska, it was nothing short of a miracle cure. Days after the 53-year-old City Council staffer arrived at New York Presbyterian-Queens hospital barely able to breathe and tested positive for COVID-19, doctors started him on the controversial drug cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial, and azithromycin, an antibiotic. Although Vavruska said he felt almost immediately better, he wishes the urgent-care doctor he went to see in the early days of his flu-like symptoms in mid-March could have prescribed a similar treatment before he grew progressively worse and ended up in a hospital room, hooked up to an oxygen tank and fighting for his life.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
abuela10 4/12/2020 1:20:22 PM (No. 377292)
In other words, Trump was right again
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
rarebear 4/12/2020 1:40:27 PM (No. 377316)
How dare they defy Federal guidelines! The results do not count unless the methods are in strict compliance with guidelines set up by our Masters.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 4/12/2020 1:41:05 PM (No. 377318)
We have many reports about almost immediate reversal of symptoms. We have NO reports of side effects, except for idiots who take fish tank cleaner. If we do nothing, people WILL die. If doctors prescribe these medications, it appears VERY likely that significant numbers of people that might have died will live, some with immediate relief. How many? How many are required? ONE would be a good start and there have been many more, especially when there have been no contraindications to using the drug. There have been a few concerns about the antibiotic used and patients with heart conditions. Fine. Use another antibiotic or just zinc.
Continue all other treatments and add the HCQ+ to the mix for ALL people in the hospital who agree to using it. In a week we should know roughly what results to expect. In two weeks we could have an initial protocol ready and extend treatment to sick people at home.
Bureaucratic types resisting this are threats to public health.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 4/12/2020 1:42:25 PM (No. 377319)
As I have been saying all along. Cuomo has restricted the hydroxychloroquine to hospitals only. Patients with the symptoms that see a doctor should be able to receive this medication. Cuomo said NO. Do you know how many lives could have been saved. My guess.....MANY. Once a Coronavirus patient is admitted into the hospital, in many cases it's too late. How is Cuomo going to explain this???????
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Digiconver 4/12/2020 1:55:33 PM (No. 377328)
So what's the story, Boris?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
MindMadeUp 4/12/2020 1:56:49 PM (No. 377329)
Trump's anecdotal antidote that everyone says works but they're forbidden to use, because orange man bad.
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DJT was right yet again
Thank you God
Thank you Jesus
Happy Easter everybody!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Jeremiah29_11 4/12/2020 2:00:20 PM (No. 377338)
Politicians who restrict medicine that show that it can save lives, are essentially practicing medicine without a license and shoul be sued for such.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Mass Minority 4/12/2020 2:04:09 PM (No. 377344)
This medicine should be used as soon as symptoms begin. I was upset when the FDA tried to limit use to late stage disease. That all to available "anecdotal" evidence has shown that the effectiveness of the HCQ treatment is much reduced if it is withheld for too long, and even may be ineffectual once the patient has reached the ventilator stage.
I can offer a personal anecdote on this phenomena, I am prone to serious infections. I always have a bottle antibiotic with me and if even the suggestion of an infection starts I take the antibiotic, then I call the Dr. I used to be routinely hospitalized for these infections, now almost never the pills almost always do the trick, IF I start them immediately. Thing is, if I wait til I actually see the doctor the antibiotics I carry around will no longer work, much more drastic measures will be required (IV antibiotics). HCQ may well work in the same manner, phenomenal when used immediately but less effective if the disease has progressed to the critical stage.
My first thought when I saw the FDA recommendation was very cynical. I thought that they knew that by limiting this drug to just the critical patients that would benefit from it the least they could kill the hype and wound POTUS. At the cost of countless American lives. After all, if I had seen the reports of reduced effectiveness in critical patients most surely they had too. I'm not entirely sure my first reaction was wrong and the efforts of hard left governors to restrict the use only enforces my initial lunatic thoughts.
And just as an after thought, Since when is it the pharmacists job to second guess a prescribing physicians motives??
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Old Army Vet 4/12/2020 2:16:57 PM (No. 377356)
Since when is it that a governor can limit the use of a drug that a Doctor knows works. I wonder where Cuomo got his medical degree from?
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
bighambone 4/12/2020 2:22:13 PM (No. 377359)
Well as President Trump said from his point of view, while recognizing that he is not a doctor, that corona virus sufferers who are in danger of death, with a doctors prescription should be given the opportunity, if they wish, and have “nothing to loose” by trying those drugs. That is in keeping with a personal position that Trump has long taken in accordance with his “Right to Try” initiative.
Trump’s comments and suggestions concerning those drugs obviously caused the so-called mainstream (liberal) media and some leftist and liberal Democrats to go to war against those drugs, claiming that they are only of antidotal effect and should not be used by corona virus sufferers until long term medical testing is concluded that could take years to prove that the drugs are effective and have no lasting side effects. Of course by that time most of those corona virus sufferers will de dead. Obviously the media and some Democrats are deathly afraid that Trump has announced what could turn out to be an effective treatment for the virus, thus saving a lot of lives. Clearly the anti-Trump media that has morphed itself into the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party cannot allow Trump to get credit for, or get away with doing anything like that.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
curious1 4/12/2020 3:04:25 PM (No. 377400)
#9, those aren't lunatic thoughts, those are reality, given who is trying to destroy this President and our Republic. You have to know your enemy. Nothing is beneath them. Act accordingly, if you want to survive.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Venturer 4/12/2020 3:08:23 PM (No. 377407)
Number 10 Governors can do damned near anything they want to do during this crisis.
They order stores closed they order tickets give to people sitting intheir cars with windows rolled up to listen to prayer, they order vegetable seeds not to be sold.They turn loose criminals and lock up people going to church.
One thing we have learned during this dreaded awful mess is that Dictatorship is just a matter of finding a reason.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
comstock 4/12/2020 3:44:14 PM (No. 377429)
On a trip to sub-Saharan Africa I took Lariam (mefloquine hydrochloride), related to hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic against contacting Malaria. 200mg every other week, only side effect was epic nightmares. Never got Malaria in three months there. It's available in tropical Africa over-the-counter (no prescription needed) in most pharmacies. Costs about 11 cents a tablet.
The key ingredient is quinine, which has been used as a drug used to treat malaria since at least 1632 (probably before). It was isolated in 1820 from the bark of a cinchona tree. The Brits in India used the extract, mixed with their daily dose of Gin to prevent or treat Malaria (Gin and Tonic).
It is absolutely absurd to claim this drug, in all its variants, is untested, with unknown side effects. Its been in use for hundreds of years.
When widespread testing for COVID-19 antibodies gets underway what are those who test negative to do? Remain in isolation until the slowly-grinding gears of the CDC approve a vaccine? If I could get my hands on any form of a quinine-containing drug I'd be taking it once a week or once every two weeks as a prophylactic against COVID-19. And learn to endure, if not enjoy those nightmares.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
LadyHen 4/12/2020 3:53:30 PM (No. 377436)
fta: Last week New York City Councilman Robert Holden urged Gov. Andrew Cuomo to remove restrictions on the drug. “The anecdotal evidence is too strong to ignore,” the lawmaker wrote in an April 7 letter. “Personally, I have been contacted by a number of my constituents who were treated with the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combination in New York hospitals. They reported feeling an immediate improvement … and they have since recovered.”
Good for you Councilman. If more pols had that kind of guts, we would be well on our way to recovery by now!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
HotRod 4/12/2020 5:14:21 PM (No. 377502)
The democrats and their media need a higher body count before they decide to stop opposition. They think they hurt President Trump, but they can't see outside their bubble: It's opaque, not clear!
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 4/12/2020 5:44:23 PM (No. 377524)
Not having a medical background, it does seem somewhat intuitive that providing anti-inflammatory medication would help the body's own immune system overcome the viral invader, which targets the respiratory membranes, causing massive inflammatory response and driving one into severe respiratory distress. The antibiotic treatment has me baffled though, as that fights living bacteria and not viruses.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
volksford 4/12/2020 7:34:44 PM (No. 377606)
# 17.. if you end up in a hospital in poor condition your chances of acquired bacterial pneumonia are increased.
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