Doctors rethinking coronavirus: Are
we using ventilators the wrong way?
Yahoo News,
by
Caitlin Dickson
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
4/8/2020 11:10:30 AM
Across the country, hospital administrators, doctors and public officials are pleading for ventilators, as the spread of coronavirus is making growing numbers of patients dependent on the machines that pump oxygen into their lungs to keep them alive. The subject comes up at almost every White House briefing on coronavirus, and the administration has even proposed an emergency effort to retool automobile factories to make more of the devices. (Snip) Marik is promoting a treatment of his own devising, a combination of corticosteroids and high-dose ascorbic acid, or vitamin C, as a first-line therapy for patients hospitalized with COVID-19. Marik
Reply 1 - Posted by:
justavoter 4/8/2020 11:18:06 AM (No. 372647)
By the time you have to have the ventilator it is too late. The ventilator is the death sentence.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
karo 4/8/2020 11:22:10 AM (No. 372656)
I agree - once on the ventilator it is hard to get off. My brother passed away last year after being on one for 23 days. He had COPD (heavy smoker for 40+ years). It was very distressing seeing him held in limbo day after day by that machine.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
AltaD 4/8/2020 11:38:46 AM (No. 372692)
FTA: “COVID-19 lung disease, as far as I can see, is not a pneumonia and should not be treated as one,” said Kyle-Sidell. “Rather, it appears as if some kind of viral-induced disease most resembling high altitude sickness.
If this is the case, that the disease is not a pneumonia, I hope there are doctors who are willing, and allowed, to try alternatives to ventilators.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Hermoine 4/8/2020 11:42:09 AM (No. 372701)
Please go read this article -- all these health care professionals are finally discovering the real threat of COVID 19 - oxygen depletion...not pneumonia...ventilators are not the answer.
https://www.lucianne.com/2020/04/08/covid-19_had_us_all_fooled_brbut_now_we_might_have_brfinally_found_its_secret_31385.html
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Knotwyrkin 4/8/2020 12:27:18 PM (No. 372794)
If you think doctors run around putting people on ventilators willy-nilly, without thought, you are ignorant. Usually ignorance can be cured with a dose of knowledge, but some ignorance is incurable since it has already crossed into stupid, and stupid can't be fixed.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DVC 4/8/2020 1:21:58 PM (No. 372873)
Well down in the article you find this:
"Marik’s theory is ..[snip] By administering anti-inflammatory drugs early and regularly after a patient is admitted to the emergency room, Marik believes he can prevent this complication, known as a “cytokine storm.”
and now for the critical information, buried way down in the story, only found after you click a second time on "Read More"
"...when he first released the results of a somewhat controversial study claiming that intravenous vitamin C, hydrocortisone and thiamine are an effective treatment for sepsis. The treatment failed in a larger study whose results were published in January."
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Newtsche 4/8/2020 1:25:24 PM (No. 372877)
A guy called Rush a few weeks back talking of oxygenating the blood via catheter, a vent alternative that sounded promising. I've heard nothing of this method anywhere since.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 4/8/2020 1:26:32 PM (No. 372878)
stopping italics, .
Yahoo isn't a place I ever go to get actual news, either. The author previously worked for New Republic, Atlantic, etc. They are not sources I trust, either.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
cheeflo 4/8/2020 1:52:58 PM (No. 372918)
That link is gone now, #4. I read that article. It was very interesting. Too bad I can't post the link to it here.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Hermoine 4/8/2020 1:59:48 PM (No. 372925)
I tried to post this to L.com but looks like they took it down -- assuming they didn't like the source. Regardless, if you read this and then you read the Yahoo article. It all makes sense. Doctors (not their fault) have been treating this wrong based on limited data. This is why the UK said that Boris Johnson was receiving oxygen and they made the point of clarifying that he did NOT have pneumonia. This thing isn't attacking the lungs -- it's depleting oxygen in your body which leads to shortness of breath, and ultimately shuts down your organs.
http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 4/8/2020 9:13:33 PM (No. 373384)
My brother sent me the link #10 has, it was disconnected, but he had it on his tablet, sent photos. Interesting, I forwarded it to my cellular biologist research prof friend and asked if it makes sense. We'll see.
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Proning patients in ICU has greatly improved their outcomes. One the other day in a new clip was prone - special bed needed - w sats of 54% and she was awake, on her phone. No sedation. We've done for long time in ICU. Too long to explain here, but better outcome than vents here.
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