Marines under fire for flying $80M F-35
over SC during thunderstorm when report
shows jets CAN'T handle storms: Pilot
ejected due to 'bad weather' before jet
'flipped', flew 100ft above trees in 'zombie
mode' and crashed in field
Daily Mail (UK),
by
Harriet Alexander
Original Article
Posted By: Imright,
9/21/2023 2:24:51 AM
A F-35 jet could have crashed on Sunday due to poor weather in South Carolina, new audio suggests - as questions mount as to why the disastrous training exercise was allowed to proceed.
The F-35B Lightning II which the unnamed Marine pilot was flying is believed to be at risk of malfunctions if it flies in thunderstorms, according to a Forbes investigation in November.
Its sister jet, the F-35A, is more severely affected and cannot fly within 25 miles of lightning.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
EJKrausJr 9/21/2023 3:13:46 AM (No. 1560305)
This scenario was scripted into a first season of JAG. Do you believe this Shite? If yes, I am selling a bridge over Lake Michigan, cheap.
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So I guess that our military is only allowed to fight on sunny days now? It's unacceptable for any strike fighter to not be an all-weather platform...
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 9/21/2023 5:00:19 AM (No. 1560354)
As I said when this was first reported, the "pilot" MUST be the new "woke" generation, most probably, "affirmative action," and even possibly, "gender specific." student stock. SWEDE-11 just cost the American taxpayer, and the Marine Corps a huge chunk of "change" at $80M.
Who is SWEDE-11's commander? Why was he flying a into a thunderstorm on take-off?
Do modern day Marine "aviators" not do weather checks prior to flight these days?
Personally, I hope SWEDE-11 is now SWEDE-FIRED.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Venturer 9/21/2023 7:23:24 AM (No. 1560385)
Are you shtting me? The plane can't fly if there is a thunderstorm?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Strike3 9/21/2023 8:00:16 AM (No. 1560394)
Eighty million dollars for a jet that can not fly in the rain? Who in the hell do we have building these things?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Strike3 9/21/2023 8:01:39 AM (No. 1560395)
No wonder our stupid excuse for a government is afraid of Climate Change.
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#4. The plane is perfectly capable of flying in thunderstorms.
The issue is there is a pump in the plane that inserts nitrogen into the fuel tank as it empties to prevent an explosion in the event it is struck by lightening. The pump is not great and can be damaged by poor maintenance. A new design is being retrofitted to address this remote risk.
So, I guess the answer is “yes” it’s not great to fly the plane in a storm, if it hasn’t been fixed, but the pump issue had zero to do with this accident.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
VietVet68 9/21/2023 8:45:50 AM (No. 1560417)
The regime and the military are spinning this story to hide something they don't want us to know. Bottom line: the official story is almost certainly a lie.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
jdano 9/21/2023 8:48:56 AM (No. 1560421)
That zombie mode is like me before a cup of coffee.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Son of Grady 9/21/2023 9:19:28 AM (No. 1560435)
Odd that a plane that cannot fly near a thunderstorm
is named the F-35B Lightning.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
chumley 9/21/2023 9:29:16 AM (No. 1560449)
Thank you for the explanation #7.
In my 20 years in the Air Force and another 7 as a DOD civilian, I never once heard the government tell the whole truth about even minor issues, and often the story did not even sort of resemble the truth a little bit. But I'm sure they will be honest about this one.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
MissNan 9/21/2023 10:00:40 AM (No. 1560471)
Could you imagine if that thing had crashed into a neighborhood or a
mall or anywhere full of people??
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
MickTurn 9/21/2023 10:02:06 AM (No. 1560474)
The F35 "Lighting within 5 miles" issue was baked into the F35 from the F22 design and never fixed. The Contractor was hoping to get billions to "FIX" their BAD DESIGN! (I was on both oversight teams and it never went right!)
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
NamVet70 9/21/2023 10:04:09 AM (No. 1560475)
So there was a problem with a system that puts inert gas (nitrogen) into the fuel tanks to prevent fire when struck by lightning, which probably isn't why the pilot ejected. This is clickbait as that has nothing to do with this event. The aircraft kept on flying after the pilot ejected.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
hershey 9/21/2023 10:14:17 AM (No. 1560486)
Can't fly in a storm?? What the hell kind of jets are they building for our military??? Do they have little ejectors so they can pop out a LGBTQ flag whenever needed?
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
paral04 9/21/2023 10:53:35 AM (No. 1560528)
Great! Does this mean that the enemy will stand still during a thunderstorm since the jets can't destroy them and then advance where the air is clear? How much did we pay for this nonsense?
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Pearson365 9/21/2023 11:06:47 AM (No. 1560545)
Don’t the Marine aviators know about the National Weather Service and NOAA marine weather, both readily available online? The pilots spent 12 months plus in training to fly these sensitive planes but somehow they weren’t trained on how to check for the weather, which was about to become very dangerous in SC when they took offf,
Plus, these pilots are supposed to defend us, not endanger us with both their lack to knowledge about the weather and worse, ejecting from what was an enormous “dumb” bomb over a populated area. Training must be “Eject first, we’ll find out what happened to your aircraft later”. People on ground just fortunate that plane didn’t crash into homes or malls.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
DVC 9/21/2023 11:09:58 AM (No. 1560548)
DM with it's usual stupid, uninformed, misinformed and disinformed hysterical loony garbage headlines and articles.
Thunderstorms have ALWAYS been dangerous to any and all aircraft. With extreme updrafts and downdrafts, lightning and hail, they are always dangerous, and always avoided to the extent possible.
Pilots make efforts to avoid the worst parts, always have, always will. But, sometimes lightning and hail occur where only rain is predicted. Flying through a rain storm is no big deal, but sometimes radar isn't
able to tell the difference, and an aircraft gets into an intense cell. I have talked to a USN pilot who flew a Phantom through a thunderstorm cell in the 1960s. He said it was probably the most harrowing experience of a long USN fighter aircraft career which had many dangerous episodes.
It happens to airliners and other aircraft occasionally, too. Nothing special about the F-35s, although they radar absorbing coatings which help increase their stealth can be damaged by high speed water impacts or hail. Even airliner paint, extremely tough stuff, can be peeled off by flying through rain at high speed, or by hail and any speed.
It is entirely impractical to stay miles from all rain showers and storms, even for airliners, and occasionally things go wrong.
DM is a PITA more than any sort of a news source.
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#14
Correct. There is no cause and effect here. If the fuel tank exploded, the plane would not have glided in.
Noting the issue was an intentional misdirect, counting on readers to be misled by the headline.
A misdirect, I note, worked on a fair number of Ldotters on this very thread.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 9/21/2023 11:43:56 AM (No. 1560572)
Was the F-35 testing out new upgrades in a storm? If that were the case, I might believe it. The Marines would want to fix their problem. Obviously, their upgrades did not work. It's just as believable this is all incompetence.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
mc squared 9/21/2023 11:44:53 AM (No. 1560574)
Plane can't handle bad weather? Maybe they found it to be an explosion in a fuel tank like TWA 800
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Kate318 9/21/2023 11:46:35 AM (No. 1560575)
When the government comes up with a new narrative about the same event every 24 hours, you know they are lying.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
snakeoil 9/21/2023 12:29:31 PM (No. 1560603)
Maybe we'll luck out and be attacked in good weather.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
DVC 9/21/2023 1:58:05 PM (No. 1560675)
Re all the folks who think that flying in thunderstorms is a picnic. If you ever read about "downdrafts" or "turbulence" causing injuries in a jetliner....which is not too uncommon, well THAT is caused by thunderstorm activities.
And as to the wit who commented about being "attacked in good weather".....we CAN fly military aircraft in bad weather, but ALL weapons of ALL types are seriously degraded in capabilities in even cloudy weather, and thunderstorms can play havoc with ANYTHING built by man, on the ground or in the air.
If that surprises you.....it's your fault.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
danu 9/21/2023 1:58:06 PM (No. 1560676)
sunshine patriots. [only kidding].
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
DVC 9/21/2023 4:21:19 PM (No. 1560744)
Re #4, NO aircraft can safely fly through a thunderstorm. If you think that is possible...you are sadly uninformed.
Never has been safe, and there are endless stories of aircraft that got destroyed or damaged, or at least dumped entirely out of control by venturing into a thunderstorm by accident.
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