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There Is No Short Path Back to Institutional Credibility

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Posted By: FlyRight, 6/22/2023 2:47:54 PM

Institutional trust is built over the course of years. Decades. Centuries. Dishonesty takes just a moment to destroy institutional trust. This week, Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine and professor of molecular virology at Baylor College of Medicine, got into a spat with podcaster Joe Rogan and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Hotez has a long-standing feud over vaccine efficacy and safety with RFK Jr., who has long been a proponent of the scientifically unverified theory that childhood vaccines cause autism; RFK Jr., appearing on Rogan's podcast, tore into Hotez. Hotez responded by accusing Rogan of spreading "misinformation"

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Bur Oak 6/22/2023 2:57:42 PM (No. 1497566)
The public has lost a lot of trust of the medical profession. This is not all a bad thing. Many people trusted experts, medical or other, way too much.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rinktum 6/22/2023 3:23:47 PM (No. 1497588)
By doing what leftists did during the pandemic, a true majority of people will not trust much of what comes out of these institutions. Add that to the fact that the medical profession and all auxiliary institutions have driven the nail into the coffin of trustworthiness because of their insistence of ramming down our throats all this transgender nonsense. When medical professionals can look you in the eye and declare that biological men can become women, that was the last straw. Add to that the vicious bullying and intimidation by these same groups and they have pretty much lost all credibility. We may not have fancy degrees but we can recognize the difference between a male infant and a female one. This is not rocket science. What these medical leftists are pushing is an out and out lie that is the basis for a full frontal assault on children the likes I have not ever seen before. Yes, we don’t trust them. Try and bring out another “vaccine” and see how well that goes over.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: bpl40 6/22/2023 3:33:50 PM (No. 1497602)
I gave up when the Medicos started preaching that homosexuality was a normal, natural, alternative life style. That two homos meeting in an Eighth Avenue leather bar had the same social value as my or my parent’s’ marriage.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Kate318 6/22/2023 3:34:10 PM (No. 1497603)
Sorry, Ben, but this statement is simply not true: “… the scientifically unverified theory that childhood vaccines cause autism…” Nearly all medical research conclusion is based on correlative evidence, not causative. There is a massive amount of correlative evidence tying vaccines to not only autism, but SIDS, allergies and many chronic conditions. The average child today gets 72 doses of vaccinations by the time they are 18 years old. That, compared to around 8 doses for those raised in the 1950s-1960s and 12 doses for those raised in the 1980s. The medical and pharmaceutical industries are off the charts with their negligence in this area. No one needs a vaccine for chicken pox.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: planetgeo 6/22/2023 4:07:49 PM (No. 1497634)
Yes, the "Gender wars" and the COVID mandates have resulted in the complete collapse of trustworthiness in just about every institution in our culture. It's not just mass insanity that seems to have hit them all at once. Even worse, it's mass fascism. They weren't just wrong, they DEMANDED that we concur with their madness. Follow it, despite the mounting evidence they were wrong. And most insulting of all, that we BELIEVE it and publicly mouth it along with all of them. NO! This stops here and now. We not only don't believe it, but we also no longer believe you or anything you have to say going forward.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: red1066 6/22/2023 4:18:02 PM (No. 1497644)
True vaccines work and have worked for decades. The polio, measles, etc. vaccines have worked for hundreds of millions of people for 60 years. With illegals coming over the border by the millions, none of whom have been vaccinated for anything. The incidences of outbreaks of illness which for decades were eliminated in this country are now not so uncommon. Clueless idiot people like Kennedy believe that these vaccines might cause autism. The requirement that everyone get multiple Covid shots that protect no one and just plain doesn't work, has done more to damage to the credibility of the medical profession than anything. That credibility will be damaged for quite some time.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: DVC 6/22/2023 4:20:23 PM (No. 1497646)
Nothing will make me trust CDC or NIH ever again. And DoJ and FBI need to be disbanded, permanently.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Sanchin 6/22/2023 4:21:48 PM (No. 1497647)
The Truth or Honest Debate is an alien concept to Govt Bureaucracies/Institutions and nearly all Politicians. Remember DDT, ask yourself about Fluoridation in drinking water, and look at the Ag and Pharma Lobby. Vaccines you ask!
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 6/22/2023 5:03:55 PM (No. 1497675)
Re #4, a critical point to always keep in mind with logic and statistical evidence. Correlation is not causation. And even if there is a causation in some correlations, we often don't know which direction the causality arrow runs in. A is correlated with B. Does that mean that A causes B or does B cause A? Often this is totally unclear. Now it is pretty certain that autism doesn't cause vaccinations, so that part is OK in this case. However, I am not convinced that correlation proves causation. Do I think that giving those various vaccinations as separate shots a few weeks or months apart might be safer? Sure, why not? Even if wrong, there is little risk to spacing the shots. I don't trust the CDC one bit, but I am not convinced that these multiple vaccinations are the cause of autism.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Sanchin 6/22/2023 5:47:58 PM (No. 1497691)
Regarding the issue of autism being linked to vaccines- The use of these vaccines 30- 50 years ago worked. The question is are the vaccines used to today the same as those used then. My understanding they are not they have been "improved" and if that is the case then it potentially and seriously undermines how we evaluate the data.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Kate318 6/22/2023 6:03:42 PM (No. 1497694)
Thanks for the tip, #9, but I specifically mentioned the difference in my post and at no time did I claim anything causative about vaccines.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: MattMusson1 6/22/2023 7:09:16 PM (No. 1497726)
The DOJ and FBI prosecuting Donald Trump is the same DOJ and FBI that fabricated evidence of Russian Collusion.
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