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Manchin and Collins: 'We wuz robbed.'

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Posted By: DW626, 6/27/2022 6:44:06 AM

No sooner had the Supreme Court issued its Dobbs opinion then West Virginia’s sometimes-rational-Democrat senator Joe Manchin and senior Maine-Squish-Republican, senator Susan Collins, came out expressing their combined horror and indignation over the decision. They both went to say they were aghast that both Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch had apparently misrepresented to them, both in private meetings and during their hearings, that they would respect established precedent. The senators felt “betrayed” by the pair. Manchin was quoted as saying, “I trusted Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Kitty Myers 6/27/2022 6:59:20 AM (No. 1198189)
Expect to hear the Left talk about impeaching a coup[le of justices because "they lied" (which they didn't) during their nomination hearings.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Plex 6/27/2022 7:02:46 AM (No. 1198190)
Respect doesn't mean strict adherence.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 6/27/2022 7:03:34 AM (No. 1198192)
Is there any form of life lower than a modern American politician?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Rinktum 6/27/2022 7:09:21 AM (No. 1198193)
We all know this is how the game is played. Republicans have been bitten in the derrière more often that we would want by a Justice going rogue. It’s just the way it is. Who knows? Maybe their opinion actually changed on some issues. Nevertheless, to come out now in an already contentious atmosphere is the height of irresponsibility. Do these two knuckleheads really want to stir this pot? Grow up and face the truth Roe v. Wade was a bad law that needed to be overturned. Additionally, what decent person wants to be on the side of infanticide? Playing political games like these two are doing is not only irresponsible, it is clearly nothing but a political ploy. Just when you think politicians can’t possibly get any more self-serving, one or two always have to pop up and prove you wrong.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: planetgeo 6/27/2022 7:10:19 AM (No. 1198194)
The entire process for selecting Supreme Court justices needs to be drastically changed. It's impossible to have an independent, objective judiciary when the process is so political and hell bent on forcing the candidates to pre-commit to particular positions. Why even have a "court" if the selection process is designed to make it a legislative super committee?
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Reply 6 - Posted by: singermom9 6/27/2022 7:12:14 AM (No. 1198196)
Oh PUHLEESE. Here is biden saying he does NOT think R v W was a constitutional right for women AND the other is him saying that marriage should be between 1 man and 1 woman. Everybody shades the truth. Now biden is ALL upset about the R v W decision. Which is the lie and which is the truth? Dems lie every time they open their mouth. Jan 6 political prisoners are STILL in jail and Maxine Watters and AOC and their troops are not. Those protesting at private homes of the judges, a felony, are still not in jail. Also, I want to know when Colbert and his crew of miscreants is going to jail for the INSURRECTION of June 16th. After all. THEY VIOLENTLY invaded the capital and almost DESTROYED our democracy. Can you imagine the FEAR and TERROR of the people inside who were subjected to the horror of the day? And Colbert PLANNED this. A PRE-PLANNED INSURRECTION.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: lakerman1 6/27/2022 7:29:27 AM (No. 1198202)
Joe Manchin has implicitly declared himself a baby killing Catholic! Does something mystical happen to Catholics when they enter the Senate chamber??
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Reply 8 - Posted by: wakeupcall 6/27/2022 7:39:29 AM (No. 1198206)
All democrats and republicrats GOPe rinos are servants of Lucifer (Satan) and his evil.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: philsner 6/27/2022 7:43:27 AM (No. 1198208)
Pandering time.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Venturer 6/27/2022 7:56:32 AM (No. 1198219)
What has Collins ever done for Maine that they keep returning her to Congress? Don't they have on Democrat up there that can beat this fake republican?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Strike3 6/27/2022 7:56:35 AM (No. 1198220)
Manchin was sensible as long as the outcome affected West Virginia and his standing in the polls with his voters. Collins has always been a democrat-leaning mushhead who was guaranteed to vote their way on important issues.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: judy 6/27/2022 7:58:47 AM (No. 1198222)
Joe M is about as dependable as Joe Biden! They change with the wind or at re-election time! I have a feeling W.Va will Never re-elect Joe M again!
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Reply 13 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 6/27/2022 8:04:45 AM (No. 1198233)
Awwww! Better vote for packing the court! Now! The people will love that move!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: mifla 6/27/2022 8:06:33 AM (No. 1198234)
Hey, if Dems can "evolve", so can Republicans.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: udanja99 6/27/2022 8:22:39 AM (No. 1198257)
Roe v Wade was NOT established precedent. It was simply an unconstitutional made up BAD ruling which the court corrected. West Virginia is a red state. Manchin’s days may be numbered.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 6/27/2022 8:25:15 AM (No. 1198263)
"issued their respective petulant statements" Give me a break. These are CYA statements. The discussions Manchin and Collins had with SCOTUS candidates were also CYA discussions. They had asked, as directly as they could, if Roe was "safe" and they got the packaged TRUTHFUL answers that Roe was a precedent and precedents needed to be respected in future considerations. Clearly not that "respected" in NO WAY means preserves at all costs. Such a guarantee would be a lie. If Manchin and Collins wanted to lie to themselves for the expediency of political cover, which is all that this is, that is on THEM, not the candidate. The more important question is, "What are your thoughts about areas of law that are not specifically addressed by the Constitution? Should they be dealt with at the federal or state level?" Obviously the Conservative response is, at the state level. Note that this still leaves Justices some wiggle room. Constitutional silence has been well dissected over the years and many things dealt with by the SCOTUS are only tenuously addressed by the Constitution. For Roe, the court made up a right of privacy that they said was implied by the Constitution. A follow up question is, "Do you think the Constitution is written and should be interpreted as plain speech (a common interpretation of the actual words) or is it appropriate to explore for meaning beyond the written words?" The Constitution is NOT a novel. It is law, and law should be well considered and drafted as clearly intended. It should be interpreted in that manner as well. It is clear that the framers likely intended that the Constitution be treated this way as well. Progressive judges violate that intent. They search for implied meaning, often fantasy, and also create desired solutions when that is not the role of a Justice in our Republic. Once the dust settles and the States draft their own abortion legislation, I suspect that a significant majority of voters will decide that abortion is being dealt with properly and they WILL NOT WANT the SCOTUS to go down that ghastly path again. The dems will jawbone the issue but it's value will fade as a national issue. In fact, the Republicans, after a while, could make a good case that things have settled down well and the citizens of the individual states mostly have the abortion legislation they want. Why would you want a decisive and essentially insolvable issue brought to the federal level again? Further, all the nightmares the progressives tried to scare us with have NOT come to pass.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: spacer 6/27/2022 8:27:26 AM (No. 1198264)
Didn't these same two clowns vote for a racist bigoted radical black woman that doesn't know what a woman is for SCOTUS ? Yes, yes they did.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: JackBurton 6/27/2022 8:54:13 AM (No. 1198283)
I wasn't aghast that Kagan would be in favor of abortion. Sure, she danced about when asked about it. Why should they be surprised at what Kavanaugh or Barrett ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THE CONSTITUTION? And of course, I AM aghast that people thought (hoped, actually) that Sotomayor had a brain.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: ROLFNader 6/27/2022 9:04:51 AM (No. 1198296)
There was a time in America when slavery was "established precedent".
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Reply 20 - Posted by: TJ54 6/27/2022 9:18:43 AM (No. 1198306)
I thought Manchin is Catholic so what's his problem?
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Kate318 6/27/2022 9:27:13 AM (No. 1198315)
They did honor established precedent. It is established precedent to follow the Constitution. The right to an abortion is not listed in the Constitution. And, as far as lying to get into office goes, dems are the LAST group of people that should be pointing fingers. We’re talking about you, Barky.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Goose 6/27/2022 9:39:26 AM (No. 1198325)
"Established precedent." Dredd Scott as an established precedent. So was "separate but equal."
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Reply 23 - Posted by: David Key 6/27/2022 9:41:57 AM (No. 1198329)
No judge on the court has said what they would rule on hypothetical cases that might come before them. As to settled "law", gosh a lot of settled laws have been overturned. Slavery and Jim Crow laws come to mind. Justices address cases as they come before them. Roe was badly de.cided and is a classic case of judicial law making. Prior to Roe, abortion was decided by the states. Quite a few had legal abortions but no state was forced nor were the people of the state forced to approve something morally repugnant to them.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: judy 6/27/2022 9:50:43 AM (No. 1198340)
Hey Joe & Collins, They said they would respect precedent...they didn't say they wouldn't change it or send it back to the states!!! No nominee in their right mind would prejudge a possible future case.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: milwaukeeroad 6/27/2022 10:05:19 AM (No. 1198354)
Let’s not forget the 18th and 21st amendments regarding booze.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Rich323 6/27/2022 10:18:25 AM (No. 1198386)
Justices should not be asked opinions as reason for confirmation that’s a litmus test. The only questions should be will you accept and interpret US law and the US constitution as written?
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Reply 27 - Posted by: MDConservative 6/27/2022 10:40:34 AM (No. 1198410)
Politics never stops. What's that Mr. Dooley said, "Th' Supreme Coort Follows Th' Illiction Returns". SCOTUS does in two ways...through the confirmation process and during a justice's term. Each justice has an ideological role to play, except the Chief. Right now the public opinion tide appears to be running conservative, and the court happens to be majority "conservative". It will undoubtedly swing back one day, and it will be conservatives wailing about precedents being maintained.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: smokincol 6/27/2022 11:08:20 AM (No. 1198445)
they weren't robbed the American citizen's have been robbed for the past 50+ years or since the adoption, and activation, of Roe, it's that simple and not very difficult to understand ... if... you keep an open mind and not allow prejudices to corrupt your thinking I'm getting to dislike and distrust manchin more and more, these days and never liked collins, ever
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Reply 29 - Posted by: earlybird 6/27/2022 11:22:23 AM (No. 1198462)
Manchin is all over the map while Collins is always the highly predictable Lib.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: DVC 6/27/2022 11:43:16 AM (No. 1198490)
That's OK Collins has screwed over the Republican voters a hundred times and more, and I don't trust Manchin at all.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: cheeflo 6/27/2022 1:54:52 PM (No. 1198623)
Simply acknowledging and respecting precedent, then voting to overturn it on the merits of the argument isn't lying. Any thinking person understands that precedent can be overturned, especially bad precedent. No one pledged to uphold Roe v. Wade if it came up for review. They only really committed to considering it when it remained in force. Both of them should know better.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Luandir 6/27/2022 4:13:22 PM (No. 1198759)
And neither of these two pillars ever misled an interviewer. /s
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