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Watch: Video Shows Chinese Boeing 737
Nosediving Into the Ground, 132 Souls Aboard

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 3/21/2022 1:35:30 PM

A Boeing 737-800 passenger jet operated by China Eastern Airlines has crashed in rural China, presumably killing all 132 souls aboard. Video of the plane nosediving into the ground and the aftermath has emerged. As is expected with any video of this kind, viewer discretion is advised. Much is unknown at this point, but I am a commercial multi-engine pilot and a flight instructor so I can add a few points of speculation to ponder. According to the flight data available, the rapid descent started at around 30,000 feet. That would point to either a structural failure that caused a loss of flight controls or a high-altitude stall

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Reply 1 - Posted by: seamusm 3/21/2022 1:44:44 PM (No. 1105946)
I would not be surprised if this were an act of deliberate sabotage as ChiCom warfare against the American company, Boeing.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Catherine 3/21/2022 2:07:51 PM (No. 1105956)
Wonder why the monitor was focused on that piece of the sky? It's like they were waiting for the falling plane to show up.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Ribicon 3/21/2022 2:33:23 PM (No. 1105979)
#2, I had the same thought. Location was said to be a remote mountain region in China. Not where you'd expect there to be a surveillance camera running.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: bighambone 3/21/2022 2:36:00 PM (No. 1105982)
You would think that the aircraft would glide at an angle as it came down, rather than take a complete header, unless someone aboard were pushing the controls to make the aircraft come straight down?
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Reply 5 - Posted by: GoodDeal 3/21/2022 2:41:23 PM (No. 1105987)
I am sure the impact was painless for the people on board. The freefall was probably horrific. God bless all those who perished.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: formerNYer 3/21/2022 2:43:46 PM (No. 1105989)
The FDR and the CVR if not damage will be crucial in the investigation if they're not damage. Whether the CCP will be forth coming is another story.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Safari Man 3/21/2022 2:45:34 PM (No. 1105992)
My money is on terrorism or pilot suicide. So many third world pilots have gone out in a blaze of glory. Or... do we think Uighurs are merely moderate muzlimes?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: RobertJ984 3/21/2022 2:49:34 PM (No. 1105995)
Who was on board?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: stablemoney 3/21/2022 2:52:10 PM (No. 1106003)
My day was not as bad as I thought.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Ketchuplover 3/21/2022 3:02:17 PM (No. 1106006)
It wasn't the "souls" that died. And that, therein, one can assume is the real tragedy. (Their final destination)
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Reply 11 - Posted by: davew 3/21/2022 3:08:14 PM (No. 1106011)
Here's some quick observations. First, there was no apparent smoke or fire, and the aircraft was falling in one piece. This would make a bomb or sabotage unlikely. The visibility seemed to be reasonable given that the plane was several miles away from the CCTV but still quite visible. It would take quite a bit of downforce to hold an aircraft that nose down since they are designed to be stable and return to straight and level as long as the wing is not stalled. You actually have to pull back to maintain a stall which tends to cause a spin moment towards one or the other wings. It didn't look like this plane was spinning (autorotating) from the video. What really surprises me is that there have been no reports of a "mayday" call or any ATC contact which would be the responsibility of one of the crew members in the event of an airframe or engine failure. If the Voice Cockpit Recorder was not destroyed by the impact, it could explain a lot of this.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rumblehog 3/21/2022 3:10:31 PM (No. 1106012)
Looks like a maintenance induced catastrophic event. This is a 737 "NG" and not a "MAX", so bear that in mind. You don't get that kind of "nosedive" any other way, unless it's a Uyghur Captain hellbent on making a public statement.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: jimboscott 3/21/2022 3:11:28 PM (No. 1106014)
Gonna nitpick here... Of those 132 souls on board... all went somewhere. The bodies? Dead. The souls? Not necessarily.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Corndoggies 3/21/2022 3:36:58 PM (No. 1106039)
When I had directv I could rewind if I wanted to record something. Guessing this person has something similar while watching the news.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: M-79 3/21/2022 3:43:09 PM (No. 1106044)
Wonder if the pilot was triple vaxxed.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: DVC 3/21/2022 3:51:29 PM (No. 1106048)
Third world pilots and third world maintenance. I never fly in third world airlines, not even a consideration.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: lakerman1 3/21/2022 3:53:21 PM (No. 1106050)
This reminds me of that U.S. Air crash near Pittsburgh, mid 1990-s. The U.S. Air hit the ground nose first, just like this one did. And the cause of the Pittsburgh crash was a defective valve which operated the tail surface of the 737, and the pilots could have avoided the crash, if they did exactly the opposite of what they were taught.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: DVC 3/21/2022 4:04:15 PM (No. 1106056)
re #3. Loss of attitude control often results in this. Flying in the clouds, the pilots cannot tell up from down, etc without reference to the instruments. If the instruments fail, or are fed bad input data from faulty sensors, or are interpreted improperly by the pilots.....this is the result, and often it is not apparent what exactly is the fix while still in the clouds, no visual references. Equipment failure, poor maintenance, poor training, all these things can add up to disaster. And once a modern airliner gets headed downhill with power still on, speed builds extremely rapidly. If the speed of sound is exceeded, then there are difficulties with airflow over the tail which can eliminate the possibilities of the controls being effective. Trim, which moves the entire horizontal tail, should be still effective in a supersonic upset, but pilots, especially third world pilots are often shockingly unskilled in basic flying, are trained to guide the autopilot and do some basic flying. When "the **** hits the fan" the real airmen who truly understand flying may be able to salvage a disaster, like Sullenberger in the Hudson, or a number of other "miracles" (landing a 737 with no engines running on a grass levee in a swamp is another) can occur. Lots of pilots nowdays cannot fly without all the automatic systems helping them. Even an Air France pilot held an Airbus in a full stall and let it fall from ~40,000 ft to the ocean, oblivious to the fact that HE was crashing the airplane due to his lack of basic airmanship skills. Complex airliners, pilots who can only make it work if everything is "normal" and third world maintenance.....I won't fly on these airlines, and I prefer to avoid Airbus planes, although this is a Boeing. IMO, the Boeings have been less "over automated" than the Airbus designs, which can help avoid 'fooling' the pilots when the automation goes haywire. We'll have to wait and see, and wonder if the ChiCom investigators are competent enough to discover the problem, and are permitted to publish the truth, if it reflects poorly on Chinese maintenance or pilot "skill" or lack thereof.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: udanja99 3/21/2022 4:09:37 PM (No. 1106059)
I seem to remember a pilot several years ago who took his plane in a nose dive into the Atlantic Ocean. IIRC, he was a Muslim.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Trump'sCousin 3/21/2022 4:15:07 PM (No. 1106066)
Not real. False flag. Crisis actors. NEXT!
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Reply 21 - Posted by: ControlFreak 3/21/2022 4:45:08 PM (No. 1106092)
This is the stuff my nightmares are made of.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: crashnburn 3/21/2022 5:39:51 PM (No. 1106130)
Nitpicking the author but the last I heard the 737-Max was no longer grounded.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Geoman 3/21/2022 5:52:00 PM (No. 1106135)
The term "souls on board" dates back to the 1700s, originating as a nautical term to delineate the number of living people embarked on a voyage. Later, the term was applied to train travelers. In both cases, as in the case of air travel corpses were/are often transported aboard.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: JHHolliday 3/21/2022 8:24:26 PM (No. 1106224)
Egypt Air, #19. The Muslim pilot deliberately nose dived the aircraft in the ocean. My brother took the same flight a week before. When he heard, he said he felt like someone had walked over his grave.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: PCMM 3/21/2022 8:41:08 PM (No. 1106237)
#8 - Ho Lee Fook, Wee Tu Lo, Sum Ting Wong, Bang Ding Ow …
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Reply 26 - Posted by: davew 3/21/2022 8:52:21 PM (No. 1106249)
Several experienced pilots on YouTube have pointed out that this extreme accident is very similar to the Atlas Air 3591 crash in 2019 near Houston. This was a 767 that was on a training flight with the first officer at the controls. They were at about 6700 feet in IMC (clouds with no horizon visibility) and setting up for their approach when the first officer inadvertently hit the TOGA button on the thrust levers. This is a switch that is only used when the aircraft is close to landing and must execute a missed approach using a preset autopilot function. The aircraft was still well out from a landing but had lowered its flaps which enabled the TOGA function. At this point the plane automatically pitched up slightly from its descent and added power. The first officer, who was inexperienced and had a very sketchy check ride history, experienced what is called "somatic graphic illusion" which affects the inner ear and makes you feel you are in a steep nose up acceleration. A trained pilot recognizes this and focuses on the instruments to get true aircraft attitude. You must learn to believe your instruments and not your senses. Unfortunately, the first officer overreacted and pushed the aircraft into a steep nose down attitude while adding power. The captain failed to recognize this mistake and take back control of the aircraft before they broke out at about 3000 ft which was too late to pull the nose up and level off before hitting the ground. The China Eastern Air flight was at 29,000 ft and conditions suggested it may have been in IMC. The point where the decent began was exactly where these flights would begin their decent from cruise suggesting they may have taken back control from the autopilot and gone manual. If the pilot pitched up while accelerating due to turbulence or accidental control input, he may have felt he was about to stall and instinctively pushed the nose down and added power. This would suggest a training failure or very inexperienced pilot since the cardinal rule drilled into every IFR pilot is to trust the instruments and not your senses if they disagree. Here's a link on YouTube to the Atlas Air NTSB analysis. Looking at the very small crash site photos it looks like the plane powered into the ground nose down so hard that there is little debris visible, not even engines. The likelihood of getting a functional Flight Data Recorder or Cockpit Voice Recorder is pretty slim.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: kono 3/22/2022 2:42:49 AM (No. 1106367)
Maybe there was a valid reason to have a security camera pointed in that direction. But why did somebody have their phone camera shooting video of that monitor? Something's fishy.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Safari Man 3/22/2022 1:03:21 PM (No. 1106795)
#25 Foh Zi Wen !
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