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Posted By: JonMoseley, 3/13/2022 9:07:21 AM

We must mourn the death of leadership in America. In 1962, President John F. Kennedy cautiously but brilliantly managed the United States — nay, the world — through the Cuban Missile Crisis on the brink of a nuclear World War III. Watching Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, I felt compelled to watch again the movie Thirteen Days bringing these moments to life. Every American should re-watch. If your writer may offer my over-simplified distillation, it is this: JFK and his brain trust rejected the choice between Option A, surrender to a missile platform in Cuba and Option B, provoking a nuclear war.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Rama41 3/13/2022 9:25:02 AM (No. 1098627)
The beginning is nonsense. JFK was responsible for the Cuban Missile Crisis. He insisted on meeting with Khrushchev after beating Nixon and was such a lightweight that Khrushchev started pushing back in Berlin and Cuba. JFK's brilliance had nothing to do with it. Democrats who liked the Berlin and Cuban crises of the '60s must be ecstatic about Afghanistan and Ukraine today.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: MDConservative 3/13/2022 10:27:45 AM (No. 1098685)
Does Mosely have a clue? "Order the battle group on a slow cruise toward the Bosporous (sic) Straits at Istanbul...nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed ballistic missile submarines should be parked on the bottom of the Black Sea (which is not terribly deep), supplied to sit undetectable for months." To enter the Black Sea means to transit the Bosporus, and to do that subs must be on the surface. The Turks control the strait. Why would they allow such a provocative move by the US that could result in a regional disaster that could well include Turkey? This affair is well out of the barn and the Russians and Ukrainians need to figure it out without the intervention of NATO or the US. There are talks happening. One wonders if the loss of Russian military momentum isn't a moderation to buy time with minimal damage. NATO could itself back down with its apparent consideration of Ukraininan membership, negotiating a way out of this. Why doesn't it? The US wants exclusive rights to negotiate a deal. We apparently see Ukraine as a client state. And it's not Biden, but the entire US foreign policy establishment. Yeah, the 1960s called and wants its worldview back.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: bigfatslob 3/13/2022 10:30:28 AM (No. 1098689)
#1 right on! Khrushchev like Putin today had JFK's number, weakness so he tempted the waters. JFK lucked out he wasn't brilliant it the situation. JFK's Afghanistan was the Bay of Pigs, a total disaster. Spare me the Kennedy mystic he didn't live long enough to show me anything. I know I was living during that time and not a little toddler either.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: ChattyCatsSusan 3/13/2022 11:53:26 AM (No. 1098802)
This snippet is ridiculous. After reading the autobiography of UK's King George VI a few years ago, JFK was totally bungling the Cuban Missile Crisis and came disastrously close to War. JFK had a lot of help from the Brits from the King on down in walking this crisis back from the cliff's edge. I will never believe JFK was any kind of genius. OTOH, I can believe he was all manner of fool, and the nation bought into the Camelot mythology of him and his glamourous wife and two tots.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: lakerman1 3/13/2022 8:37:46 PM (No. 1099163)
JFK and Camelot were a matter of timing. Camelot was playing on Broadway at the time of JFK's assassination, and his handlers (he had several, who kept his womanizing and drug use out of the news) selected the Camelot theme. It worked. I'm not sure we will ever know the full truth about the Cuban Missile Crisis - I was on active duty at the time, and we were on full alert for deployment. We were also on full alert for the Berlin crisis. Kennedy was a fierce anti-communist, for those who were not around, and he defeated Nixon by being more anti-communist than Nixon.
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