Los Angeles lags on building electrification.
Now is the time to ban new gas hookups
Los Angeles Times,
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Editorial
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
2/16/2022 9:41:48 AM
Appliances are not as obvious polluters as power plants or diesel trucks, but the gas-fueled stoves, water heaters, furnaces and clothes dryers that predominate in California homes and businesses are a major source of health-damaging and planet-warming emissions. To avert disastrous climate change and protect people’s health, they must be replaced with electric models powered by renewable energy. Yet natural gas consumption in California homes and buildings has been rising in recent years. And because there has been a lack of leadership at the state level to electrify buildings, the effort to ban gas and change building codes has been
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Laotzu 2/16/2022 9:52:51 AM (No. 1073509)
Note the complete lack of hyperlink to any underlying proof of the assertion that natural gas creates worse emissions than coal and oil fueled electric plants. And anti-bacterial masks stop the virus. Right . . . . .
24 people like this.
Reply 2 - Posted by:
franq 2/16/2022 9:54:31 AM (No. 1073510)
They're running the state into the ground.
16 people like this.
Reply 3 - Posted by:
TLCary 2/16/2022 9:55:05 AM (No. 1073512)
The electric they use comes mostly from natural gas. Burning natural gas to run a boiler to turn a turbine to transfer electric through power lines to heat a resistive electric heat element is a shockingly inefficient process. Burning gas directly in an appliance is a wonderfully efficient process. They are producing far more CO2 to feel good about the CO2 coming out of a stack far away and out of sight then right near them.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Californian 2/16/2022 9:57:36 AM (No. 1073513)
Let's not discuss how the grid can't handle what we use now, much less natural growth.
Or how incredibly expensive electricity is already while they continue to shut down power plants.
I am counting the days until I'm out of here.
22 people like this.
Reply 5 - Posted by:
GoodDeal 2/16/2022 10:02:27 AM (No. 1073515)
More environmental naziism and propaganda.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
RuckusTom 2/16/2022 10:15:47 AM (No. 1073529)
The good thing about California driving everyone out so only politicians and movie stars live there - "for the weather" - is they'll have not representation (based on population) in the US Congress to spread their madness to other states.
9 people like this.
Reply 7 - Posted by:
RuckusTom 2/16/2022 10:18:40 AM (No. 1073534)
"... have no ...", sorry.
2 people like this.
Reply 8 - Posted by:
downnout 2/16/2022 10:19:04 AM (No. 1073536)
I sincerely doubt that the LA Times is powered by renewable energy. Such hypocrites.
12 people like this.
Reply 9 - Posted by:
bighambone 2/16/2022 10:29:04 AM (No. 1073546)
Maybe Biden will send Los Angeles enough federal money to remove all the supposed obsolete natural gas infrastructure around the city from the residences of low income illegal aliens and minorities who are considered to be potential leftist, progressive, and socialist Democrat voters and replace that natural gas infrastructure with new electricity powered infrastructure?
3 people like this.
Reply 10 - Posted by:
JunkYardDog 2/16/2022 10:31:26 AM (No. 1073550)
They could have it all green in California if they'd only start build nuclear powerplants. But all the Greenies care about is wind & solar. Oh well, Gaia will provide!
9 people like this.
Reply 11 - Posted by:
Quigley 2/16/2022 10:37:30 AM (No. 1073565)
It’s a worldwide emergency! It’s sedition! Illegal even if there’s no law against it ! Cause this is the only planet we’ve got until the terraforming of mars is complete!!
Freeze all homeowners’ accounts until they comply! It could be done on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis to avoid disruption of the collective colony economy.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Historybuff 2/16/2022 10:43:46 AM (No. 1073576)
I guess no one at the LA Times ever took, or passed a physics class.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
ROLFNader 2/16/2022 11:01:29 AM (No. 1073591)
It would take a windmill with 25ft blades to run your toaster......
6 people like this.
Reply 14 - Posted by:
Donna M 2/16/2022 11:03:14 AM (No. 1073595)
California should fall into the sea, with the exception of the Reagan Ranch and Victor Davis Hanson's farm. It would get rid of a lot of problems. I can live without their history at this point for all the hate their lefties spew.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
DVC 2/16/2022 11:07:27 AM (No. 1073600)
Natural gas and propane are the most efficient possible energy delivery to a home for hot water, cooking and heating. With good furnace, 97% of the energy in the gas is delivered as heat to the home. The cooking and water heaters are similarly extremely efficient.
ANY use of electricity involves conversion of some primary heat source, like coal or natural gas being burned to make steam, which spins a turbine, which spins a generator, makes the electricity. And electricity flowing through wires is "lossy", the resistance in the wires continuously turns some small fraction of that electricity into heating the wires, uselessly. Of the starting energy in the original natural gas used in a central power station, only about 25-30% reaches the home as useful electrical power. Compare this to well over 90% delivered as useful heat with gas appliances. Insanity with a good bit of ignorance and stupidity mixed in, apparently. Very bad policy.
Only MORONS cut off natural gas for home heating, hot water and cooking. Are they just abysmally ignorant or are they TRYING to waste as much of our natural energy resources as possible?
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
columba 2/16/2022 11:20:02 AM (No. 1073619)
Banning natural gas is about as dumb as preaching that there is no God.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
mean Gene 2/16/2022 11:20:17 AM (No. 1073621)
CA puts all these laws and rules on the books, but CA is filled with law-breaking illegals, homeless, gangs and criminals.
The underground economy in CA is gigantic when it comes to illegally imported foods and drugs.
Pushcarts and pickup trucks sell illegal prepared foods that could bever pass health codes anywhere.
Add to that the illegal high-water flow toilets, showerheads and faucets, etc.
Illegal electrical hookups are common.
Illegal gas hookups will be, too.
But they will be so much more dangerous.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
aasilver 2/16/2022 11:29:58 AM (No. 1073631)
...and the idiot Liberals in California insisted on closing the Diablo Canyon Nuclear plant by 2030. They haven't built a power plant in 40 years and the population has doubled.
Liberals are determined to destroy California and the USA and idiot Republicans are going along to get along.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
rikkitikki 2/16/2022 12:20:47 PM (No. 1073681)
The many past ice ages, all of which occurred before mankind started using methane (or gasoline), thereby disproving any causative link between CO2 emissions and global warming.
In addition, the world has been releasing naturally generated methane into the atmosphere for at least the last 2 billion years. That's why there are methane hydrate deposits scattered across the floors of all major oceans, and why coal beds are dangerous to mine.
So, please tell me again why natural gas burned as a fuel in businesses and residences is a bad thing...and then tell me exactly how 'renewable electricity' is going to replace it?
And please, be specific, because America's prosperity depends on your answer.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
belwhatter 2/16/2022 1:04:24 PM (No. 1073716)
Washington State, California's little sister in all things, where gov. 'wannabee like Gavin' Inslee dominates political mischiefmaking, is also on this course to ban natural gas use by 2030. As a golden ager, being able to flick a switch and get the comforting warmth and glow from our gas log fireplace is marvellous, it is the cleanest and most sensible source of effective energy. How I miss common sense.
7 people like this.
Reply 21 - Posted by:
SALady 2/16/2022 1:31:28 PM (No. 1073734)
When the last sane person leaves Cubafornia, please turn out the lights. The brain dead lie-berals you are leaving behind don't deserve them for destroying your beautiful state by turning it into a lie-beral cesspool!!!
2 people like this.
Reply 22 - Posted by:
jhpeters2 2/16/2022 1:54:26 PM (No. 1073756)
Yawn. Not all printing of the LA Times takes place in LA proper. All of those sites are powered by electricity and in Cali that is a BROWN OUT industry. Thats why they have backup generators in place. Diesel if I remember. I wonder if they will now cough up millions to switch to NG? Waiting LA Times.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Rich323 2/16/2022 2:36:23 PM (No. 1073789)
Cut off power to California from Arizona and other states and watch them squirm. They have no clue where power comes from other than the “socket in their walls”/s.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 2/16/2022 3:58:23 PM (No. 1073857)
My electric rates are already double most places at 36, now they want to take away any alternates so they can raise them even more. fjb
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
NessunDorma 2/16/2022 4:38:16 PM (No. 1073887)
I want to be around when they tell California chefs they'll have to start cooking on electric stoves.
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Libs keep trying to ban natural gas. They'll eventually resort to enforcing at gunpoint, if allowed.