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The parents of the Michigan high school
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Posted By: earlybird, 12/3/2021 1:20:53 PM

The parents of the 15-year-old charged in this week's deadly shooting at Michigan's Oxford High School have been charged with four counts each of homicide involuntary manslaughter. The charges against James and Jennifer Crumbley were filed Friday morning in 52nd District Court in Rochester Hills. It is rare for parents to be charged like this, CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig said. "What the prosecutor is saying is: Let's look at the parents' responsibility,” (snip) "This is really a new frontier." James Crumbley bought the gun four days before it was used in the shooting, prosecutor Karen McDonald said Friday at a news conference. Sophomore Ethan Crumbley was with him and later posted

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Quigley 12/3/2021 1:24:17 PM (No. 996117)
I’m willing to look at culpability. But i tend to believe that this is a case of prosecutor animous looking for victims and notoriety. Like mutt and jeff in the Rittenhouse trial. But, let’s see if there was criminal conduct.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DVC 12/3/2021 1:32:37 PM (No. 996125)
I tend to doubt that there is any legal jeopardy for the parents. Often parents are struggling with an unruly, out of control child. Perhaps they contributed somewhere in his upbringing, I have no idea, but it is pretty questionable at this point to blame them. Blame the shooter. THERE is the evil.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 12/3/2021 1:37:35 PM (No. 996134)
Would not be an issue if the kid was black... and you KNOW it.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Sanddollar 12/3/2021 1:40:09 PM (No. 996137)
I saw the prosecutor's news conference and the parents must be charged. If you own a gun, keep it locked up away from a struggling teen.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper 12/3/2021 1:40:24 PM (No. 996138)
I wonder if MI has a simple criminal negligence statute. If so, then that might fit...maybe, but this doesn't.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: volksford 12/3/2021 1:56:03 PM (No. 996151)
Lets just apply this "logic" to the parents of Antifa punks living in mom and dad's about accessories ?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: GirlwithaCurl 12/3/2021 1:56:19 PM (No. 996152)
Who among us can say that they truly know what's going on in the life of their teen(s)? The kid probably answered "nothing" when asked "what went on in school today?"
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 12/3/2021 1:57:11 PM (No. 996153)
Sorry, #4, your 'good advice" is NOT the law. Opining that some parent demonstrated more trust in their child than turns out to be, after the fact, warranted is a LONG way from legal culpability.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: sw penn 12/3/2021 2:03:57 PM (No. 996160)
And, why not the administrative "Co-Parents" at the school??? One has heard lately that the schools want parents to have no say in education-indoctrination right up until something like this happens. And, then...
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Reply 10 - Posted by: DVC 12/3/2021 2:04:25 PM (No. 996161)
Anti gun activists want to make it more and more difficult for anyone to purchase or own a firearm, in the mistaken and misguided belief that "fewer guns means less crime". Hard facts.....More guns, Less crime. This has been proven repeatedly in state after state. And yet, the leftist, antigun folks still believe that firearms ownership, by itself, should be punished in every possible way that they can.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Maggie2u 12/3/2021 2:09:22 PM (No. 996166)
I'm not a lawyer so take this for what it's worth. I think the only way they could be blamed for any of this is if the boy was being treated for a mental illness of some kind and they didn't keep the gun in a safe place where he couldn't access it. Unless Michigan DOES have a law where guns are to be kept safely stowed at ALL times so children can't get to them.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Vesicant 12/3/2021 2:09:56 PM (No. 996167)
And yet Alec "not my trigger finger" Baldwin is still walking around free.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Roscoelewis 12/3/2021 2:12:10 PM (No. 996168)
If you blame and adjudicate these parents, then there are several million black parents that need to be tried for the same thing and worse.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Luandir 12/3/2021 2:15:22 PM (No. 996172)
The parents were at the school on the morning of the shooting to discuss concerns about their son's behavior. That no action was taken enmeshes them pretty deeply, methinks. I'm inclined to think that contributory negligence is more appropriate.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: daisey 12/3/2021 2:31:26 PM (No. 996179)
I read this morning that the father went to the school hours before the shooting to talk about his concerns regarding his son. All this bull does keep the SUV murderer out of the news. Darrell Brooks has sorta disappeared. However they did arrest the red SUV.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: curious1 12/3/2021 2:32:08 PM (No. 996182)
Was it because of her open letter to President Trump?
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Grounded 12/3/2021 2:53:11 PM (No. 996200)
I figured the dad would get charged with something, but mom too was a surprise. When the prosecutor said "she was charging the parents in part to make a point about the responsibility of gun ownership", that smacks of malicious prosecution and politicization. Probably some grandstanding as well.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: msjena 12/3/2021 3:07:18 PM (No. 996206)
Should parents assume that if they have a gun where their 15 year old child could access it, that he (or she) will use it to murder someone? Michigan is gun country. A lot of parents are going to have to lock up their guns if not doing so now creates criminal liability.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: coldoc 12/3/2021 3:11:53 PM (No. 996208)
If this works maybe the complicit wife/girlfriends of terrorists will be next.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: navybrat 12/3/2021 3:35:11 PM (No. 996219)
I read that the gun was just purchased on black Friday. There were multiple guns removed from the house. The parents knew there was trouble with the son but made it easy for him to arm himself. I believe they should be charged.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Namma 12/3/2021 3:41:57 PM (No. 996224)
And when finished with the parents of the shooter, take a peek at the kids and the parents of those kids, that we’re doing the bulling. Every one screams about how bad Billy’s are. But no one seems to stop them. Should check on school officials too. Did they ignore the bullies. Let them get away with it?
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Reply 22 - Posted by: SALady 12/3/2021 4:07:28 PM (No. 996239)
The parents are already probably talking to an attorney about the massive lawsuits they will be filing over this!!! The boy stole their gun and used it to commit murder. Period. They did not give him permission to take the gun to school and use it to kill students, nor did they know his intentions. Like other posters have said, if this stands, then it's time to go after every parent of an ANTIFA or BLM thug that lives with them. They are just as "guilty" as these parents. Moreso, in my humble opinion, since most of the ANTIFA or BLM thugs are adults living in mommy's basement, they are more "guilty". I don't know what they are guilty of, but if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander!!!
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 12/3/2021 4:28:02 PM (No. 996252)
I hear that 1. they're running, and b. the OIC said their involvement went well beyond negligence.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: bighambone 12/3/2021 4:28:16 PM (No. 996253)
The people who were obviously totally incompetent, and maybe criminally culpable in this matter are the Principal and other school staff who allowed Ethan Crumbly to return to class in that high school without notifying law enforcement of the situation, after Crumbly let it be effectively known that he had access to a firearm and stated that he intended to murder other students at that school.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: whyyeseyec 12/3/2021 4:28:56 PM (No. 996255)
They didn't waste any time charging the parents but in New Mexico, they're wasting time not charging Alec Baldwin.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: thatsomewhereplace 12/3/2021 5:51:14 PM (No. 996306)
This will read terrible, but...having had a child whose life was a mess, who, on occasion, threatened bodily harm. Just maybe the parents were afraid of this young man. Perhaps they lived in fear for their lives. So, the father purchases a gun for self-defense. Ah ha you say. A father purchases a gun to protect himself and his wife. Just saying from a smaller personal experience. We don't know how the father stored the pistol. Cunning crazy people can find things you thought were safe. So. We may never know why. How. All horrific speculation. I might have wished my child were in school and not at home. A moment of peace. How could they have known the teenager had taken the pistol. So sad.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: MindMadeUp 12/3/2021 6:06:49 PM (No. 996317)
Fine. Then let's haul all the parents of the Antifa scum who have been destroying our cities into court and charge them with arson, rioting, looting, felonious assault, and manslaughter.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: smokincol 12/3/2021 6:47:44 PM (No. 996337)
I just don't get the legal logic in this decision by this clown show of a district attorney's office. this is a serious case of trying to find a bad guy to blame and not a minor, especially a kid who has been bullied so much his frustration became life threatening. can't see any way these charges will stand.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Rama41 12/3/2021 7:40:32 PM (No. 996363)
A real tragedy. Wonder who'll be the first leftist to say they're typical Trump voters.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Strike3 12/3/2021 7:43:10 PM (No. 996366)
The kid might as well have put up neon signs about what he intended to do. Shame on school officials and students suspecting weird behavior not doing something about it. There have been enough school shootings in recent history that they should have known that this kid fit the mold of angry and crazy.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: Strike3 12/3/2021 7:46:09 PM (No. 996371)
Hold on, #13, blacks are born with the right to concealed carry, no age limit, no state or federal laws are left that deny it. If they shoot you, you should not have been on that street so it's not their fault.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Scout Finch 12/3/2021 11:47:55 PM (No. 996448)
Oxford is our next-door school district. Many of our residents attend school there because of open enrollment. This kid sat with his parents and school admin in the principal’s office with the kid’s backpack containing the soon-to-be murder weapon. Not ONE of the adults in the room thought to reach over and check his backpack. Within a couple hours, four are dead and many more in the hospital fighting for their lives. No one took responsibility. That’s where we’re at now America.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: janjan 12/4/2021 1:57:32 AM (No. 996481)
I’m reserving judgment until all of the facts are known. There is a lot of info floating around the internet right now about text messages between this murderer and his mother, liability on the part of the school, notes left by the student, etc. It’s too soon to determine guilt or innocence by anyone besides the shooter.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: Trigger2 12/4/2021 3:03:00 AM (No. 996496)
Helicopter parents deserve what they get. They encouraged and enabled the brat.
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Reply 35 - Posted by: gwholmessr 12/4/2021 7:07:14 AM (No. 996556)
I’m little on fence on this but I also believe if you raised your child you should know that child. If his mental state was ever in question you just don’t go out and buy a pistol.
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