Afghanistan: 'We have won the war,
America has lost', say Taliban
BBC,
by
Secunder Kermani
&
Mahfouz Zubaide
Original Article
Posted By: OhioNick,
4/15/2021 3:25:13 AM
Driving to Taliban-controlled territory doesn't take long. [SNIP] We meet our host: Haji Hekmat, the Taliban's shadow mayor in Balkh district.
Perfumed and in a black turban, he's a veteran member of the group, having first joined the militants in the 1990s when they ruled over the majority of the country.
The Taliban have arranged a display of force for us. Lined up on either side of the street are heavily armed men, one carrying a rocket propelled grenade launcher, another an M4 assault rifle captured from US forces. Balkh was once one of the more stable parts of the country; now it's become one of the most violent.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Highlander 4/15/2021 3:41:30 AM (No. 755215)
So much blood and treasure for nothing! America should get out of the World Cop business and stay out!
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Captleemo 4/15/2021 3:47:00 AM (No. 755217)
To hell with Afghanistan, we are losing America.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
BarryNo 4/15/2021 4:25:29 AM (No. 755224)
Democrats have lost every war they ran since WWII. Mostly because every war they ran, they had a horse in the race on the side of the enemy.
38 people like this.
Reply 4 - Posted by:
KatieJo 4/15/2021 4:41:13 AM (No. 755226)
Well, that didn't take long, word is out that the inmates are running the asylum.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
chumley 4/15/2021 4:44:40 AM (No. 755227)
When the last WW2 vet dies, we will have no Americans who know what its like to win a war. When I joined the military in 81, I was being trained by Vietnam vets who's methods and desired outcomes were...iffy. They were teaching us young guys how to lose and we said so at the time. I cant imagine its any different now.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Rinktum 4/15/2021 6:56:08 AM (No. 755279)
Excellent comments especially #2. It all seems so pointless to worry about what is happening in the world when we are swirling down the drain.
20 people like this.
Reply 7 - Posted by:
F15 Gork 4/15/2021 6:57:51 AM (No. 755280)
The British learned this (twice I believe), the Russians once and now us. Afghanistan is a sinkhole that will take everything you’ve got. Plus we forgot long ago how to wage war. The Marines in the Pacific knew how.....give no quarter. Meet brutality with greater brutality and once the enemy is on his knees you stomp him into the dirt. That’s called victory.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Jesuslover54 4/15/2021 7:15:53 AM (No. 755298)
Graveyard of civilizations.
Plus the poppy.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
pros7767 4/15/2021 7:41:08 AM (No. 755317)
And just to rub salt in the wounds of all those patriots who were wounded and Gold Star Families, Obama/Biden declared the withdrawal date as 9/11/21, the 20th Anniversary of why it all started.
Disgusting!
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/15/2021 8:06:42 AM (No. 755344)
America lost everything in November, 2020 when a dicktater and a band of foreign, communist, muslim pirates stole an election. Afghanistan is small potatoes.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
JrSample 4/15/2021 8:07:35 AM (No. 755345)
The original purpose was to destroy Al Qeida training bases that had been allowed to operate there. That was accomplished. Removing the Taliban from power was mission creep and unnecessary.
14 people like this.
Reply 12 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 4/15/2021 8:24:47 AM (No. 755361)
The horrible consequences of the Great Election Fraud of 2020 are here. Afghanistan is just collateral damage. Look around. Even the chicoms can't believe it. The entire western world is circling the drain. Dear God, Our Savior, Please Help!
17 people like this.
Reply 13 - Posted by:
udanja99 4/15/2021 8:37:53 AM (No. 755382)
#12, the entire western world doesn’t even realize that if America goes down the toilet, all of them will follow us in lightening speed succession.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/15/2021 8:50:13 AM (No. 755401)
These encounters were filmed and shown on NPR last night. For some Taliban it has been a lifetime career. The reason that nobody can win in Afghanistan is that nobody is serious about winning except them. America has been so hogtied by fighting a PC war wince the George W Bush years that we have been losing from the beginning. We dropped thousands of tons of bombs and lost many good people to get one man, Usama bin Laden, who wasn't even there. Very stupid.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
petrichor 4/15/2021 8:55:03 AM (No. 755408)
Let the UN supply social therapists to these ongoing "family issues" in the world. Can't say we lost in Afghanistan, since we never really tried to win. Besides, can't we just monitor from the air and blow 'em up at will, Obama style?!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Clinger 4/15/2021 8:57:42 AM (No. 755410)
Much will be written about the long history of the futility of defeating Afghanistan with mountains and caves galore. The real lesson is much broader in scope. You cannot impose by force the will to live free of the application of force. This notion that every individual living under any form of tyranny will welcome liberation and suddenly rise up against their oppressors shoulder to shoulder with their American liberators is ridiculous. In fact, that absurd notion is in direct conflict with American exceptionalism, the rest of the world really doesn't think like us or at least how we used to think. The American experiment was, and what's left of it, is exceptional. Half of us have succumbed to the lure of security offered by a government that serves as parent eliminating the need for individual adulthood decision making and risk taking.
Amen #2, we are at war with an ideology that will destroy us and we have extended our lines thinned our resources and allowed an invasion of the Homefront. It's high time to rally on our last hill, no time to dither in foreign lands.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
bpl40 4/15/2021 9:05:32 AM (No. 755425)
They won it exactly at midnight of Nov 3, 2020 when the counting stopped!
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
planetgeo 4/15/2021 9:07:52 AM (No. 755427)
That's because America hasn't fought a war like it was really a war since WWII, when we mass destroyed entire cities with huge civilian populations in order to destroy the country's will to even fight. Since then, it's been "policing actions" with "rules of engagement" that always sacrificed our young people in order to not kill the enemy's civilians or destroy vital civilian resources.
That's not war. That's stupidity dressed in virtue. I cringe every time I pass military cemeteries and think of all the brave, selfless soldiers who died...for NOTHING...and the families who quietly grieve for their loss.
Democrats care more for virtue signaling than they do for the lives of our own people. That's why we will never win a war that they are in charge of.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
gone2pot 4/15/2021 9:09:13 AM (No. 755430)
I know the world and especially the United States still thinks it's a joke, but we did defeat the unarmed Cuban construction workers (the MSM's words at the time) in Grenada and they celebrate their national Thanksgiving on October 25th each year in thanks for being saved from Marxism and horrible oppression that had already started. We won that one but that was it since WW2.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
TCloud 4/15/2021 9:20:02 AM (No. 755444)
Dems only know PC/WarLite. They do not know what it is to win nor lose!
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
JackBurton 4/15/2021 9:36:03 AM (No. 755471)
Kinda reminds me of the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail.
'Tis only a flesh wound.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
stablemoney 4/15/2021 9:42:02 AM (No. 755484)
Inevitably, they live there, and we don't, nor do Americans want to live there. It's your hell hole, Taliban. But keep in mind, if you bother America, the B-52's will return. Don't have a nice day.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
MDConservative 4/15/2021 9:57:06 AM (No. 755515)
Some describe what "winning" was in Afghanistan...no one ever defined "winning". Did we achieve our military goals at the time? Then it was time to get out, go home, and call it even. We didn't. Conservatives fawned over purple fingers, a fancy-dressed kabob shop President, and surges. We stuck around two decades to establish an Afghan security force that never apparently took root. This, by the way, was a bi-partisan strategy. Bush-Obama-Trump...the difference was lip service. Trump pulls out troops, that's great. Biden pulls out troops, that's defeat. Let's be real. Dubya should have pulled out those troops almost twenty years ago.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 4/15/2021 9:58:07 AM (No. 755516)
The rats could say the same thing about New York City... so what? Our military Snipers gained such high kill rates that surpass any conflicts of the past. That is because Arabs fight stoopid. Yes, even though they're too cowardly to wear a uniform and fly a flag in battle, they hide among civilians like total vermin and expose them to retaliatory fire to gain political advantage. Arabs are scum and Islam is not worth preserving, anywhere it's found. What the USA should have done was to evacuate each and every female from the country. Leave only the men. Cut off all lines of resupply then start the rolling bomb runs throughout the country.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
red1066 4/15/2021 10:10:58 AM (No. 755533)
There was nothing to win. A bunch of goat herding opium growing Muslims populate the country. If the people of Afghanistan want freedom from the Taliban, then let them fight for it. I never understood the reason we were there to begin with.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
bighambone 4/15/2021 10:11:02 AM (No. 755534)
It’s really unfortunate that Biden changed the date from 5/1/21 and instead selected 9/11/21 as the date that the USA and NATO will militarily retreat from Afghanistan; as 9/11 is the date that the Islamist terrorist organizations use to celebrate their successful attack on the World Trade Center in New York where they murdered over three thousand Americans. Another really bad look by Biden.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 4/15/2021 10:17:27 AM (No. 755547)
What's most sickening is the Taliban will regain control of Afghanistan on the 20th anniversary of 9/11. What a statement by our America hating leaders. We were probably destined to lose from the beginning because of the level of brutality required to win in Afghanistan, but the way we are losing it is extremely revolting. Our own leaders are rubbing our faces in it.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Highlander 4/15/2021 10:20:26 AM (No. 755549)
Reply 26; that 9/11/21 date was no slip-up. Too coincidental.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 4/15/2021 11:00:14 AM (No. 755594)
Congratulations, Taliban.
Please let us know when you get indoor plumbing, sewers, and electric lights - - and when you have something to ride around with besides camels.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
Luandir 4/15/2021 12:14:15 PM (No. 755711)
The decision to lose this war was made by the Bush Administration, when they decided not to pursue to victory. Since then this day has been inevitable. Leave it to Obama to humiliate this country by choosing the twentieth anniversary.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
GoodDeal 4/15/2021 12:17:07 PM (No. 755718)
That is absolutely right and what better way to commemorate the US loss and celebrate the Taliban victory than to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan on September 11. Twenty years after the attack on the WTC.
Obama has led his brothers to victory and defeated America. All part of the fundamental transformation of this country in progress and moving at full speed.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
RedWhite&Blue2 4/15/2021 1:20:34 PM (No. 755795)
Liberals live in a fake world of FANTASY
Liberals will get you killed
Stay away from them!
They love to lose lives
Your life is meaningless to a liberal
See through their hypocrisy
See through their bull-schiff
We need Orkin to eradicate that house!
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Speedypetey 4/15/2021 4:34:21 PM (No. 756000)
Think about when this country was lost again? After W went in full force the country had the promise of Afghanistan in the 60's. Karzai was elected president and educated Afghan refugees returned to improve their country only to be tortured and murdered, some out on open streets. Unfortunately we fought fanatics and the only way to convince them is to end them. W and O didn't go far enough and the good people left again leaving President Trump with the land deteriorating back to the chaotic stone age in the name of religion.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Hermit_Crab 4/15/2021 6:16:34 PM (No. 756102)
Because we haven't had a President for 70 years (or a media or a congress) that would actually support a war to win it. They all wanted to 'nation build', with Rules of Engagement that crippled the possibility of actually defeating the enemy.
Mostly when they go to war it is to please their Military Industrial Complex donors who's interest is not in winning wars, but in unending opportunities to expend ordnance and replace it with ever more expensive stuff. Not as much profit in actually winning a war as there is in maintaining one.
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