Can You Beat COVID-19 Without
a Lockdown? Sweden Is Trying
Vanity Fair,
by
T.A. Frank
Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog,
4/17/2020 11:41:59 AM
Sweden has a way of triggering people. It represents everything we’re supposed to do or everything we’re not supposed to do. It is the welfare state at its best or multiculturalism at its worst. True to form, or contrary to form, Sweden is now setting off everyone in its handling of the coronavirus. Unlike most of the developed world, including neighboring Norway or Denmark, Sweden has kept its elementary schools running and allowed most its businesses, including restaurants and bars, to remain open. Travel in and out of the country remains possible for E.U. nationals. And social distancing remains, for
Reply 1 - Posted by:
mean Gene 4/17/2020 11:48:06 AM (No. 382774)
Sweden's death rate PER MILLION of population is over 130/1,000,000.
Our's is way less, even tho some people like Cuomo are calling almost all deaths Covid-19 deaths, making it our leading cause of death in America per the NY Post!
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Thegranddanny 4/17/2020 11:53:55 AM (No. 382783)
Lockdown to flatten the curve only delays cases so the medical system iis not overwhelmed. The total cases will not be reduced. So, if a country feels their medical system will not be overwhelmed and doesn't lockdown they will have more cases and more fatalities early. But later they will have fewer cases. Let's wait and see how this works out.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
DVC 4/17/2020 12:26:50 PM (No. 382823)
Sweden's per capital death rate is 139 per million, the USA death rate per capita is 107.
They are killing one-third more people.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/17/2020 12:36:28 PM (No. 382845)
However the stats turn up in Sweden it's not a valid test of a pure wide-open environment because the people are voluntarily doing what is best for them and their families, exactly what the US should be doing. Media and leftist libtards crying about saving lives are not credible in a country that routinely kills thousands of babies, those who are at the front end of a good, productive life and have no say in the matter. The lives we are "risking" by opening businesses are those people who are already old and sick, do not leave the house or nursing home, and will probably die in a year or two anyway after giving up less than a quality existence. I have heard enough senior citizens say that they are ready to die or want to die to believe that death may be welcomed by many of them.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
worried 4/17/2020 1:23:44 PM (No. 382919)
#4, saying we are ready to die is much different than wanting to die. Many of us are just facing reality, and stating we know death is inevitable. In other words, we don't fear death. Yes, there are many who do, especially snowflakes and democrats. But I'll wager the majority of elders who are ready will still fight rather than just give up.
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A government that has to provide the food and pay all the medical costs for the elderly population (like China), could see this as a lose/win.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 4/17/2020 1:35:36 PM (No. 382943)
Just received some information from a reliable source. My question, why was this virus any different than prior influenza? Answer, really no difference then the influenza in prior years. The two doctors sound the alarm based on inaccurate data from China and models that were so out of line with reality.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 4/17/2020 2:18:26 PM (No. 382991)
#7, the difference, which was based on Chinese data (Uh, OH!!) was that this virus was supposed to kill 3 to 4% where the annual influenze kills about 0.1%, so it was reported to be 30 or 40 times as deadly.
The "back of the envelope" calculation (beware!!!) says that with regular flu deaths at 20,000 to 60,000, IF this is actually 30 or 40 times as deadly - that would mean between 600,000 and 2.4 million dead from this one.
Hard fact: China's data was garbage, either intentionally or incompetently, makes no difference for this purpose. For calculations.....garbage in, garbage out.
It is too soon to tell, but looks like actual deaths are going to be more like a normal influenze year. So - did we turn 2.4 million to 600,000 dead into 60,000 dead or not with all this disruption? Too soon to be sure.
Maybe we turned 150,000 dead into 50,000 dead. Can't know until later, and even then - it will be an estimate.
That is what Trump was faced with. Lots of bad data, LOTS of unknowns, and estimates of deaths that were frighteningly high.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
msjena 4/17/2020 2:24:53 PM (No. 383003)
Assuming Sweden is quarantining the sick, the death rate should be the about the same, in the end. They should just reach the final amount sooner because their curve is not flattened.
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Sweden's mortality rate is slightly higher with this approach, but it's still only a tiny fraction of 1%.