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Four dead on Carnival-owned cruise ship
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Posted By: NorthernDog, 3/27/2020 4:04:57 PM

Four passengers died aboard Holland America’s “Zaandam” cruise ship and two people on board tested positive for the coronavirus, the company announced Friday. The company, which is owned by parent Carnival Corp., did not say how many passengers and crew were tested but said 53 passengers and 85 crew members are exhibiting symptoms consistent with the coronavirus. There are more than 1,800 people aboard the ship, the company said, adding that four doctors and four nurses are also on board. The Zaandam is now at least the third Carnival-owned ship to become the site of a coronavirus outbreak. The company

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Not a good time for a cruise.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: RuckusTom 3/27/2020 4:16:11 PM (No. 360115)
"53 passengers and 85 crew members are exhibiting symptoms consistent with the coronavirus." .... and consistent with eating the raw shrimp at the all-you-can-eat buffet bar.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: rubberneck 3/27/2020 4:17:24 PM (No. 360117)
Cruise ship = huge, luxuriously-equipped Petri Dish! I can understand the government (aka the taxpayers of future generations) needing to bail out the airline industry during this crazy human event. Having a bit harder time with the cruise-ship industry. For as long as I've been paying attention, cruising on big ships has had it various perils, when it comes to human health. Perhaps it's not such a wonderful idea to put 2000+ people from 1000 different backgrounds into close quarters, where they can drink, disco-dance and sunbathe while sharing their various pathogens. Maybe the industry should be allowed to float or sink on its own merits, without government life boats. (Would that upset some huge equilibrium?)
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Reply 3 - Posted by: john56 3/27/2020 4:22:08 PM (No. 360120)
What's the joke ... an extra two weeks free with your cruise? Sad to hear about the deaths aboard ship.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: LadyHen 3/27/2020 4:23:41 PM (No. 360123)
I have been keeping up with the new on Zaandam and even reading posts from those onboard. The cruise had already left and was at the bottom of S America when the 30 day suspension of cruise service was announced. They could find no port to allow them to disembark guests before anyone was ill. They were essentially stuck. The have been steaming back steady trying to get to a safe port when less than a week ago people started getting sick. The guests have been onboard since March 14 with noone off or on since then until today when a fellow ship sent over medical supplies, tests, doctors and nurses. It is a horrible situation. They may possibly be offloading passengers (using guidelines from the CDC) who test negative to the sister ship in hopes of preventing more illness. But in the end if no one will take them into port, this is just a huge tragedy in the making. Before you make callous remarks about these poor people, remember these are human beings, beloved of God, just like you. They need our prayers. We can Monday morning quarterback this later.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: bighambone 3/27/2020 4:26:32 PM (No. 360126)
In normal times the Zaandam was a very good medium sized ship to cruise on. About ten years ago the wife and I took an Alaska cruise on the Zaandam that was as perfect a cruise as could be expected. At the time almost all the passengers were middle aged or older.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: happy conservative 3/27/2020 4:36:29 PM (No. 360129)
This is a rough time for the cruise lines. Thanks, #4 for the info on this ship. It's got to be scary for everyone onboard and their families back home--especially when there is no port in this storm that will take you. I prefer to pray for these folks and those employees of the cruise lines. It's a terrible time for everyone. Not a time for Monday morning quarterbacking. MAGA!!! KAG!!! TRUMP 2020 AND BEYOND!!! Still dreaming about the cruise to Hawaii we were supposed to take in late April. Cruising is a blast--may the industry be back up and running very soon--and may we take the lessons from this challenging time onboard with us in the future.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter 3/27/2020 4:46:52 PM (No. 360135)
#2 - During one of his Q&A sessions this week the President was asked about the merit of rescuing the cruise industry. He stated that it employs a lot of Americans behind the scenes who put those ships full of passengers to sea. He did have a problem, however, with Carnival and the others operating out of our ports but registering their ships in another country (he wouldn't say which - Panama, maybe?). Sort of gave the impression that there's going to be a deal the cruise lines won't be able to refuse.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: CaptainLibra 3/27/2020 4:49:14 PM (No. 360138)
There is a video on this site indicting that the cruise industry is proposing a ban on all passengers over the age of 70. That should cut their business about in half.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: greggojo 3/27/2020 4:52:17 PM (No. 360143)
Pray for these poor passengers and crew members. And, remember, the average age of passengers on many cruises is about 65. Thank you Poster #4 for all the information. Cruising is a wonderful way for older folks especially, to have a (usually) carefree week or two, while seeing exotic (and not so exotic) ports of call. Cruising is also a vacation option that can be quite affordable. Speaking for myself, I would not take a cruise right now if they paid me, but I hope the cruise industry does survive these very rough times.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: F15 Gork 3/27/2020 4:52:40 PM (No. 360144)
Never get on a cruise ship!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 3/27/2020 4:53:04 PM (No. 360145)
I was going to say, "still beats a Disney Cruise" but I do feel bad for the victims and families.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Plex 3/27/2020 5:51:23 PM (No. 360188)
I believe that foreign registry is related to the nature of the crew. US registry brings more reps.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Plex 3/27/2020 5:51:34 PM (No. 360189)
Regs
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Reply 14 - Posted by: PageTurner 3/27/2020 5:52:18 PM (No. 360190)
There are still people on cruises?
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Reply 15 - Posted by: watashiyo 3/27/2020 6:01:29 PM (No. 360197)
Well, every choice has its' consequences. The famous Diamond Princess Cruiseship and 3000 passengers on board stuck in Japanese port and few other cruise ships with infected passengers looking for ports to dock and can't. Don't go on a Cruise! It may be your last.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: ZeldaFitzg 3/27/2020 6:18:10 PM (No. 360209)
We won't be going on our July cruise to Russia----on the Volga from St. Petersburgh to Moscow. Also cancelled is our April trip to St. Lucia, which would have entailed flights from DFW to St. Lucia via Atlanta. Even the small island of St. Lucia has two confirmed cases. No way would we get on a plane or cruise ship at this time.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: ladydawgfan 3/27/2020 9:26:03 PM (No. 360375)
I've been on several cruises, one of which lasted 15 days. Neither I nor any of my fellow cruisers have turned up sick. However, we take precautions, bringing Lysol and clorox wipes to wipe down the cabin. And I NEVER get in the jacuzzis, which are basically boiled human skin soup, when you consider all of the people who have been in them and how many skin cells they have sloughed off in the bubbles. As well, we didn't have the creeping crud, aka Kung Flu when I cruised, so there is that. So you CAN
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Reply 18 - Posted by: ladydawgfan 3/27/2020 9:34:48 PM (No. 360384)
Silly tablet... 🤔 As I was saying, you CAN cruise safely. Not now, of course, but once Wuhan Flu is done with or controlled, considering that the cruise companies are going to take this time to deep clean the ships, cruising should be perfectly safe.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: ARKfamily 3/28/2020 8:07:54 AM (No. 360590)
Thankfully we have a President that acknowledges how many industries we have that employs people. He recognizes how all of it works together. People become so narrow minded when they don't realize that those industries are people's livelihoods. We lean on our own understanding of things so much that we value our opinions too highly thereby forgetting about other people in the process.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Laotzu 3/28/2020 9:08:58 AM (No. 360648)
Coincidentally, I had been streaming a lot of cruiser vlogs in the weeks before China virus hit. In short, cruises appear the vacation refuge of the weak and debilitated. Take an elevator to dinner. Take an elevator to a show. Take an elevator to the casino. It's a Vegas casino on a concentrated footprint and at budget cost.
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