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Seattle Might Ban New Homes and
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Posted By: NorthernDog, 9/7/2019 2:34:25 PM

The Seattle Times reports that Seattle's city council is considering legislation which would ban all new homes and buildings within city limits from using natural gas, and mandating that these edifices must use electric heating and cooking. Councilmember Mike O’Brien will likely introduce the legislation next week. If passed, it is expected that the regulations will go in effect next summer. "We know that some people rely on natural gas at home and on the natural-gas industry for jobs, so we want to be thoughtful about how we transition," O'Brien said. "But in the meantime, let’s not continue to make

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Seattle chefs will soon have to cook in an EZ Bake oven using politically correct light bulbs for heat. Natural gas is suddenly evil.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: bamapreacher 9/7/2019 2:38:59 PM (No. 174027)
Seattleans (is that a word?) can now make better use of electricity generated by coal and oil. Those put out of work can use wood to cook and heat with.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: southernboy 9/7/2019 2:39:36 PM (No. 174028)
These people are absolutely nuts! Gas is far more efficient than electricity for cooking and heating. And they are doing this while buying electricity because they don't want any nasty electricity-generating plants in their state?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: web 9/7/2019 2:49:02 PM (No. 174037)
They now must use electric heating and appliances, that uses electricity produced with natural gas. Where do these politicians think electricity comes from, the electricity fairy? It certainly doesn't come from wind turbines and solar.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Northcross 9/7/2019 2:56:53 PM (No. 174041)
An amendment to the legislation mandates the use of buffalo dung for heating and cooking.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: john56 9/7/2019 3:00:36 PM (No. 174043)
Even the EZ Bake ovens won't work. You can't use the incandescent bulbs (which gave off enough heat to cook). While I like LED lighting for its lighting properties, it doesn't emit enough heat (which, in most cases, lights don't need to). Plus you'd need the EZ Bake oven like my sister had -- made out of metal, not plastic.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Zarin 9/7/2019 3:24:13 PM (No. 174065)
I'm sure all of you know that in Seattle & California one major reason people cook with gas is that electricity is way too expensive to use for cooking! Yes, those who like to cook often prefer gas stove tops, but also gas appliances are cheaper. We used to have a propane heated clothes drier. Gas water heaters are cheaper to run too! Some of us love a glass top electric stove because we are horrible cooks and have a tendency to do boil overs! LOL! That said - a relative who lives in CA has 'newer - government regulated' gas oven that is just horrible. It can't keep the temperatures right and roasting & baking are a trial. I am really getting sick of the government messing with our everyday lives.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: GO3 9/7/2019 3:41:36 PM (No. 174075)
Don’t be silly, #3. Electricity comes from the outlet.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: RenoVet68 9/7/2019 3:54:36 PM (No. 174083)
I'm buying the wood burning vacuum cleaner franchise in Seattle
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Reply 9 - Posted by: halfnorsk 9/7/2019 4:11:54 PM (No. 174090)
Time to tap the unlimited resource of unicorn farts.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: belwhatter 9/7/2019 4:18:20 PM (No. 174094)
This is stupidity writ large. Thousands of people here in the NW have natural gas heating and appliances, it makes much more economic sense than electricity. This is one of the latest crazes to overtake socialist politicians on the left coast. They have set up time limits by which all the known and efficient fuels must be scrapped in favor of useless renewables. They know diddly squat about economics, industrial prosperity, good paying jobs, and worst of all are in total disregard of the environmental hazards posed by renewable sources. A true environmentalist should be shuddering at the sight of ugly wind turbines marching across the land, decimating the bird populations, loaded with expensive rare earth technology that often explodes and burns, and which needs good old fossil fuel backup when there is too much or too little wind. They are pushing solar like mad, and what do we find but solar panel farms generating huge amounts of rising heated air burning up high flying birds, taking acres of land out of production, and in 20 years when your rooftop solar panels have become non functional and cracked they are determined as hazardous waste.The goal of 100% renewable by 2035 is in reality expected to amount to 29%, a long way and a long time off projection. Where is the progressive movement taking us with it's ideology if not to a government controlled life?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: TLCary 9/7/2019 4:30:09 PM (No. 174097)
Restraint of Interstate Trade. It's unconstitutional.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts 9/7/2019 4:31:14 PM (No. 174099)
I wouldn't live on Seattle for free.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: chance_232 9/7/2019 5:06:37 PM (No. 174114)
Actually....... electric appliances are more efficient than gas. Especially water heaters and furnaces. There's a reason for chimneys and exhausts. Also, electric appliances dont generate carbon monoxide, which has to be vented. That said, even being less efficient, its still cheaper.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: earlybird 9/7/2019 5:12:39 PM (No. 174118)
When we lived in Seattle for (mercifully) just a little more than a year in the early 60s, our nice but modest-sized one story home had heating in the floor. The oil was delivered periodically and cost a fortune. We always had overwarm feet and cold everything else and a killer oil bill. And another bill for electric kitchen and laundry appliances.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: GO3 9/7/2019 5:36:39 PM (No. 174136)
#14, oil heating was pretty standard in the NW in the day. And yes, it was expensive in addition to paying for the electric bill. The floor vents needed cheese cloth to filter out as much of the residue as possible, but keeping things and yourself clean required more attention. Summer was great - no oil bill, and the windows came open to get fresh air.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: slab 9/7/2019 5:53:26 PM (No. 174156)
Just like the Indians used buffalo chips for heat, Seattleites can gather people 'chips' from homeless herds on the city streets. Those politicians are truly brilliant. Two problems solved!
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Luandir 9/7/2019 6:13:51 PM (No. 174167)
They have no City Engineer who will school them on where electricity comes from?
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Reply 18 - Posted by: galbaccr 9/7/2019 6:53:27 PM (No. 174186)
Three years ago, we moved into a new house in town. Our old house was heated by oil & hot water, dryer & cooking were electric. The new house uses natural gas for heat, hot water, dryer and cooking. Our combined heating/electric costs have gone down by over $3,000 per year. Of course, being in town, our taxes went up by about $2K. But we are still ahead, live closer to shopping & medical care & live where I can get someone to cut the grass. Overall costs aren't much different. But living is easier & less worrisome.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 9/7/2019 8:01:33 PM (No. 174219)
Natural gas is the IDEAL home heating power source. Once the pipes are laid, the cost to deliver is microscopically low, the equipement to heat with it is compact, affordable and 98% efficient, with essentially zero emissions. An absolutely paragon of virtues from an economic and engineering standpoint for home heating and domestic water heating. They are criminally insane. Just HARMFUL fools.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: DVC 9/7/2019 8:05:58 PM (No. 174222)
#13, I beg to differ. Hard fact: to create electricity, gas or coal is burned and creates steam which runs turbines which turn huge generators. This process takes 100 units of heat from the coal or natural gas and produces 35 units of equivalent electricity for heat. 35% efficiency. Directly burning the natural gas in the furnace in the home is 98% efficient, burn 100 units of natural gas, get 98 units of heat for your home. Electricity is far less efficient than direct natural gas heat.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: DVC 9/7/2019 8:15:44 PM (No. 174227)
A way to help the efficiency of heating with electricity is to use a heat pump, which actually is a refrigerator working backwards. A refrigerator pumps heat out of the box and into the room, cooling the box. A heat pump works by pumping heat outside to the inside of the home, warming it. The workable range of heat pump temps is when the outside air temps are from about 40F to 65F, so not for cold climates. And the coefficient of performance can be in the 2 to 4 range. So, just maybe with a good heat pump (which costs many times what a gas furnace costs, and wears out decades sooner) you could work up to match the overall efficiency of an ordinary modern, high efficiency furnace. 35% times 2 = 70%, and 35% times 4 is 140%, so you can actually get a gain over the nat gas furnace in warmer temps - by spending a lot more money on the hardware. Payback for economics? Questionable. And my parents had one, the output air was only about 5F above inlet air, and my mother HATED it - "blowing cold air", since the "warmed" air is only slightly warmer than room air, but is moving fast, it can feel cool to the skin. OTOH, a gas furnace puts out very warm air, maybe 100F or more, feels nice and warm.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Old Army Vet 9/7/2019 9:54:34 PM (No. 174272)
When I lived in the Northeast the home we bought had oil heat. When I moved into the house the oil companies were fighting for our business. We hadn't finished on moving day and they were at the door. The price, .15 cents a gallon. When we sold the house the price of oil was $3.66 per gallon. Needles to say I burned wood for about fifteen years and then switched to coal. Even though I had to buy the coal the cost put me at .45 cent equal to the price of oil per gallon. The coal heat was much better than the oil as it kept the house warmer for far less. Win win all around.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Zarin 9/7/2019 9:58:41 PM (No. 174277)
OMG #21 You hit the nail on the head. For some reason in the 1970's here in SW Ohio most of the new homes were all electric. Thus we have a heat pump - which blows barely warm air into our rooms in the winter. A heat pump may work quite well for Seattle or another mild climate where it never gets colder than maybe 30 degrees F. Here in cold Ohio (at least 20 days in winter under zero F) we pay mightily for the electric furnace - both in money & lack of comfort.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Chuzzles 9/7/2019 10:13:50 PM (No. 174283)
Seattle may have finally jumped the shark. Why do you people who live there elect such idiots? These people have no clue, not a single one when it comes to what is efficient. These are the same people who got the nation hooked on plastic grocery bags which they conveniently forget as they condemn them. Stupid stupid Leftists.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Trigger2 9/8/2019 2:08:55 AM (No. 174356)
Someone needs to take a look at demonrat investment portfolios. You'll probably find a huge investment in utilities because if everybody is forced to get rid of natural gas and pay for electricity at their outrageous amount per Kw hour, they're all going to be rich.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: ROLFNader 9/8/2019 9:12:39 AM (No. 174475)
I'm buying the flannel,axe,crosscut saw and oxen franchise in Seattle...….
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Reply 27 - Posted by: franq 9/8/2019 11:19:38 AM (No. 174591)
Go with solar panels. In their climate, it's a sure winner...Seriously, tap in to Mt. St. Helens. Heat galore!
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Smart11344 9/8/2019 4:17:08 PM (No. 174827)
Is there anyone on Lucianne that can name an intelligent democrat?
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