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10 bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up

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Posted By: Moritz55, 3/2/2025 12:09:05 PM

Friday's extraordinary Oval Office meeting between President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy went off the rails, leaving hopes for a U.S.-brokered peace deal between Russia and Ukraine in question. Here are some reasons why things went wrong, and where it leaves efforts to end the war. 1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: Those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (as with his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024)

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Reply 1 - Posted by: earlybird 3/2/2025 12:31:55 PM (No. 1907006)
There are few who see the whole picture - history and all -better than VDH.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird 3/2/2025 12:33:29 PM (No. 1907007)
Hit submit too soon. Z is doing Ukraine no good. Should all for an election pronto.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: smaricic 3/2/2025 12:41:34 PM (No. 1907011)
Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure. But consider one of his points: "If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly." Well, most people don't have time to study the whole 50-minute tape. And there is an unstated implication in Hanson's comment: "If you only watch the clips shown on Fox news, you'll get a different impression -- the impression that Vance and Trump were the hot heads." I watched the clips on Fox and Newsmax. If Vance, who once called Trump "Hitler", were really sharp, he would have said something like, "President Zelensky, could you please explain to the world how thankful you are to the US and to President Trump for all the support we have given you? President Zelensky, is it your position that both sides -- Ukraine and Russia -- have to make some compromises in order to achieve peace?" That might have salvaged the talks and helped all concerned to move on to the signing. Incidentally, why wasn't the signing of the minerals deal done first? If Putin continues making gains in Ukraine, both Trump and Zelensky will share some of the blame. The Democrats and their media friends will say, "Trump promised peace -- where is it? Trump promised a minerals deal -- where is it?" Many independent voters will listen.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Vaquero45 3/2/2025 12:58:40 PM (No. 1907015)
A brilliant analysis - as always - from one of the smartest guys in America.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Maggie2u 3/2/2025 2:30:25 PM (No. 1907046)
Poster #3, writes...'The Democrats and their media friends will say, "Trump promised peace -- where is it? Trump promised a minerals deal -- where is it?" Many independent voters will listen.' And that friends, is why Zelensky did what he did. The meeting he had with democrat congressmen before he met with President Trump was for the express purpose to tell Zelensky how to ambush President Trump. They did not want Trump to be able to say how he kept his promise to end the war and second to make sure the money they are making on the arms sales to Ukraine keeps coming.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: FLCracker 3/2/2025 2:41:56 PM (No. 1907049)
I think it is rather amusing that Putin and Zelenskyy have the same first name. The only difference is how they transliterate it from the Cyrillic alphabet to the Latin alphabet. And besides being amusing, there is also some insight into the problem, right there.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: franco 3/2/2025 5:03:54 PM (No. 1907113)
#3: I have a view on VP Vance that may help here, and it's not one that flatters him. Do you remember in PDJT's first term when the lawfare against him was ramping up and he publicly lamented "Where is my Roy Cohn?" [Cohn, of course, was a stalwart legal advisor to Sen. McCarthy as he smoked out commies in the Executive Branch in the 1950s. Years later, he affirmed he was gay and used his legal skills for gay rights advocacy.] Vance is also an attorney, and he's involved in *all* of PDJT's biggest issues. He is, I believe, the "Roy Cohn" that PDJT wishes he had in his first term. Thus, Vance constantly thinks like an attorney whose job is to protect his client (the President, in this case), and he does not think at all like a diplomat. Your post suggests he should have been diplomatic, but that may not be part of the man's makeup. Note that diplomatic abilities -- even poorly honed ones -- really are necessary for the job of President and VP. And Vance will need to learn that there are occasions where it's necessary to be more of a diplomat and less of a legal pit-bull.
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